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June 30

News

Politics and Elections

Science

Sports

ITN candidates for June 30

2010 Oaxaca earthquake

A 6.2 magnitude earthquake hits Oaxaca. - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 09:20, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

If there has been no damage and no injuries, they it is probably even not necessary to have an article, a mention in List of 2010 earthquakes would do... --Tone 12:39, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Oppose and don't be surprised if that article ends up at AfD sooner or later. Courcelles (talk) 12:40, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
  • Opppose No serious injuries and apparently no damage. APK whisper in my ear 15:47, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

German presidential election, 2010

Indirect elections to replace Horst Köhler who resigned in May - Dumelow (talk) 15:06, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

When it is updated to reflect first round of voting. (how come the DAX has not responded negatively?)Lihaas (talk) 15:05, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Wait for the second round, as usual. Off topic, why would the DAX care? Modest Genius talk 15:53, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
AP The second round failed to provide the necessary majority for Christian Wulff so it has gone to a, and final, third round (where a plurality is sufficient for election). It would be nice for the article to detail these events before posting - Dumelow (talk) 16:26, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. Are all the rounds on the same day?
As an aside, generally market sentiment is not going to like instability and several global media outlets are speculating about the stability Merkel's government after this. (should put this analysis in the article too)Lihaas (talk) 16:48, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Christian Wulff has been elected. As soon as the election article is updated, this is ready to post. --Tone 19:24, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. The results appear to have been added to the article, but there's no prose. I've uploaded and protected an image that can go up when the article does. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:33, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Probably a better image is on Commons . --91.32.96.93 (talk) 19:58, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Posted. Feel free to choose a photo. --Tone 20:01, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Agricultural Bank of China IPO

(BBC). This bank's initial public offering begins today and will become the world's largest with the 14% stake up for sale being worth £15.3bn ($23 bn). The article says the final share price will be fixed on 7 July so it might be worth waiting until then. I am putting it up here for comment first - Dumelow (talk) 09:01, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply

When the details are fixed we can discuss this for ITN (or discuss improvement on its talk page)Lihaas (talk) 15:14, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply

June 29

Current events

Science

Politics and elections

ITN candidates for June 29

Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir marriage

A world first for national leaders? --candlewicke 22:20, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Support: If it is truly a world first. What to link to? Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir, there we go! And it seems her bio is up to date. --220.101 (talk) \Contribs 06:10, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support if its a world first - which seems likely. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 07:14, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support First LGBT country leader to marry in office. Significant milestone in the history of LGBT culture. __meco (talk) 09:25, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:58, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose. Private matter for the people concerned, with no wider implications. Negligeable coverage in other media. We should have an embargo on same-sex marriage stories until they are made legal in the Vatican City State. Physchim62 (talk) 10:08, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Well it is a marriage of a head of state while in office. The same-sex element just makes it more unique, but I don't think we really have a clear consensus yet on royal/political weddings. Regardless, the article needs more work if it's to go up. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:39, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Or, how about waiting until the Sovereign of Vatican City gets married, then we put up another marriage? Unlike HRH Victoria's a few weeks ago, this is a mere head of government, and not a new "marriage", merely a transformation of terms as the law changed. Put me down as an oppose, I guess. Courcelles (talk) 12:45, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Oppose per Physchim's point about a lack of media coverage. ~DC Let's Vent 14:58, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Same-sex marriage is not legal in Iceland. What are the details on this? Needs more of the controversy to be worthy of this. Marriages of heads of state (non-royal) are not usually ITN-worthy.Lihaas (talk) 15:11, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Same-sex marriage in Iceland was legalized last Sunday Monday 2, and Jóhanna took the opportunity to convert her pre-existing civil union into a marriage 3. I agree that marriages of heads of government are not usually ITN-worthy: I'll check for precedents. Physchim62 (talk) 15:18, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
We didn't run the Nicolas SarkozyCarla Bruni marriage, that is the marriage of a serving Head of State resulting from a relationship started after he was elected. Why should we run the marriage of two people who have long been known as a couple just because one of them is a head of government. Wouldn't that by LGBT-bias? Physchim62 (talk) 16:05, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose Her becoming PM was the notable milestone, this next step is just a rather logical consequence for someone who was already in a civil union before gay marrigae was legalised. I might support it if the blurb makes it clear that the actual legislation legalising gay marriage was passed under her premiership (iirc we didn't post that? could be wrong) - that is the more general story here, and someone provides some evidence than anyone internationaly has given this significant coverage. It isn't even on the BBC World front right now. MickMacNee (talk) 16:53, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Likewise support with caveat that iceland legalized same-sex marriage. (this wasnt posted, its the bigger story)
Perhaps "Same-sex marriage is legalized in Iceland making it the 9th country to do so" (the addition of the PM is more WP:Trivia than anything.Lihaas (talk) 17:10, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
After reading the discussion, I lean towards oppose. We pointed her orientation when she became the PM (World's first). As Iceland has legalized same-sex marriages, she can get married, the same as everyone else. Posting the fact that Iceland legalized same-sex marriages is not ITN material IMO, since we've reached a consensus that this is not something very special in the Western world anymore. --Tone 17:33, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose per Tone and Physchim. It's not really that important. SpencerT♦Nominate! 18:41, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
We posted it before. I forget which country (portugal?)
Not so with the west, would be a big deal if the usa does it nationally though. im mean, A law like that in the south...? ;)Lihaas (talk) 23:48, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply

President of Hungary

  • Pál Schmitt is elected President of Hungary. President is the head of state, though in Hungary the position is elected by the parliament. But, Schmitt is also two time gold Olympic medallist! (the article needs some update, though). --Tone 20:19, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
    • Tentative support I'm having a crack at updating the article now. This is a new Head of State - but does the fact that the position is largely ceremonial affect our judgement here? --Mkativerata (talk) 20:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
We usually post any change of Head of State, if the article is updated. It's something of an ITN tradition! Physchim62 (talk) 00:29, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Ready to post. Suggestion for the blurb or should I just go with Pál Schmitt is elected President of Hungary? --Tone 08:05, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
How about "Former Olympic champion..." to give it some flavour? --Mkativerata (talk) 08:07, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I posted on the errors in the news page, but the link to the election is not there. it ought to have been there.::We usually only put thsi up after taking office (heard that arguement used here before). What happened? He becomes pres in August.Lihaas (talk) 15:12, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
No, we usually post once the result of the election has become clear thorough official sources or multiple other reliable sources. We make a slight exception for prime ministers in Westminster system countries, who are not described as PM until they have been duely appointed, but this is not a big practical difference. Westminster system countries appoint a new prime minister very quickly after the election, other non-presidential systems wait for approval from some other body (as do many presidential systems, including the U.S.); with elections under the Westminster system, we have to change the blurb while it still appears on the Main Page, with other systems we just announce the result of the election and any subsequent change of government. Physchim62 (talk) 15:42, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Cool, but as an aside i've done a bigger update of the election page so that can go up on ITN.Lihaas (talk) 16:50, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Maldivian cabinet resignations

Well this is certainly big news (and a first anywhere i might think). If there is such an article with expanded details i think it would warrant an ITN placement. Perhaps on the last elections page? (as an "Aftermath" subsection or something of the sort) Or Politics of MaldivesLihaas <talk> 19:01, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Support, in principle. Has the PM resigned as well? In such case, his article could be the focus one. --Tone 20:19, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support. --candlewicke 22:22, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment. No PM, the Maldives have a presidential system, and the President has not resigned. Politics of the Maldives seems to be the article to focus on for the moment. Physchim62 (talk) 00:37, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I see. There need to be some update to the article and then we can go with: The cabinet of Maldives resigns, leaving the president to do (...?). --Tone 08:07, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply

2010 Romanian floods

- At least 16 deaths - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 11:49, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Now 19 fatalities - 4 - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 16:09, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I would probably support this if the article was brought up to a decent length - Dumelow (talk) 18:01, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Update - 21 deaths - I complete with some info. - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 18:25, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support this seems significant and the article's in decent shape. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:46, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support. (too many floods this month, but we can't help here...) --Tone 20:19, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment: References need improvement. I'd prefer more and there are also unreferenced quotes in the article. SpencerT♦Nominate! 21:41, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support. Don't forget to consider the Chinese landslide (107 trapped) as well, but this is also a significant flood. 2010 could become the year of floods, earthquakes, and oil. ~AH1(TCU) 22:09, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support. --candlewicke 22:23, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Could someone format those bare URLs into proper citations and give the article a quick tidy up for aesthetics, please? Once that's done, I'm ready to post. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 05:19, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Can anybody help, refs was resolved...ready for post? - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 20:11, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I hate to be a pain, but I'd like to see publication (like BBC News or The Guardian or The New York Times) and access dates at least, then I'll be happy to post. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:26, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
+BBC, resolved 5 - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 20:33, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
All the references are now properly formatted. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 20:41, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply

ECFA is signed between China and Taiwan

Economic Cooperation Framework Agreement Landmark free trade deal by China (PRC) and Taiwan (ROC) will be signed today. This is a very significant deal with major implications. Many news reports 6 7 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.65.23.252 (talk) 01:18, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Support, top story on the Economist. Colipon+(Talk) 02:28, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
The article looks good, support. --Tone 09:38, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Strong support. Agreement with far-reaching implications for the relations of both countries with the rest of the world. I'd like to see some mention in the article of the recent protests in Taiwan: I'll add a sentence or two myself later, if no one else gets there first. Physchim62 (talk) 09:47, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Hmm, nightmare WikiPolitical sensitivities to watch out for, but I'll give it a go:

Thanks, posting. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Alleged Russian spies arrested

I'm not quite sure what to make of it, but this is the top story on the BBC's front page, "world", "Americas" and "Europe" pages, suggesting it has some significance. BBC News. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:22, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply

I've nominated the roundup, with an article largely based on reporting in The New York Times. This is my first ITN nomination, so please be gentle if I've missed any protocol. I will review the BBC article for additional material. Alansohn (talk) 01:27, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Do you mean there is an article? If so, could you link it. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I had posted Illegals Program above, but it seems to have been moved. Alansohn (talk) 01:42, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
It was already listed on the 28th, and I readded it below. Alansohn (talk) 01:47, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Oh, I see what you mean now- you added it to the current events portal, which is transcluded below, but is actually a different page. That explains the confusion, sorry! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:54, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
From a quick glance, the article appears to be just about sufficient for ITN standards. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:55, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
It is an arrest, not a conviction. The presence of the words "alleged" and "arrested" are worrying. I think the convictions are usually posted if significant enough though (sounds like they would be in this case). --candlewicke 02:23, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
The arrests themselves aren't the story, more the spying and the potential impact on US-Russia relations. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:35, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
oppose Crystal Ball to speculate now. Let's see the reactions from both sides (although al jazeera made comparisons between obama's june meeting with medvedev and "reset" and this coming now). No convictions even, if and when that happens it may mean something.Lihaas (talk) 12:16, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply

June 28

ITN candidates for June 28

Mexican gubernatorial (governor) candidate assassinated

Rodolfo Torre Cantu, the leading candidate for governor of a Mexican state, was assassinated today. This is the biggest assassination in Mexico in 16 years. The story is getting some play in U.S. news sources. However, the lack of an article on Torre might indicate a lack of interest in him among English Wikipedia readers. Even the Spanish Wikipedia article has barely been updated since the news broke (it still talks about him in the present tense).

What do people think about this? I think it's certainly newsworthy and important. I don't know how much longer I'm going to stay awake (I'm quite exhausted right now), but at the least I can translate the (mediocre) Spanish article for the English Wikipedia. We could then expand the section on his death. On the other hand, if the content isn't great, and it's not likely to be improved by the community, it might not be the best thing to feature on ITN. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:27, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Support. Especially if it is the biggest in 16 years. --candlewicke 00:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
An interesting one. On one hand, he was only a candidate and it's not like he was a presidential candidate and gang violence is sadly far from uncommon in Mexico, however this is obviously more significant than most of the other violence of the last few months, so I'm not sure one way or the other. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:56, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
however i do not see an article yet. the entire article would be mainly prose with little chance of getting updated once its up. support but im afraid article wont be that great unless someone can translate it over. -- Ashish-g55 01:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
The Spanish article looks like nothing more than a candidate website bio, as is typical for many politicians. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:11, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
The article exists as Rodolfo Torre Cantú. ----moreno oso (talk) 09:25, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
It possibly ties into Jesús Manuel Lara Rodríguez. It has been suggested in one of the CCN articles to Lara and by Univision that with two weeks to go to the elections, the Mexican Drug War cartels are sending a message to Felipe Calderon. ----moreno oso (talk) 09:28, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Support - This is getting lots of airtime on Univision as indicated. Basically before this, the cartels had stuck to local politicians and police chiefs = all the while, wiping out wholesale police forces. It's thought now by bumping off PRI candidates, the elections will be halted or thrown into disarray as the established candidates now have an edge over replacements. ----moreno oso (talk) 09:58, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Article seems long enough. --candlewicke 22:25, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support as above. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:27, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Sorry I didn't have a chance to translate it myself. I hit the sack early these days. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply

McDonald v. Chicago

Should we make a mention on this recent Supreme Court decision?8 Truthsort (talk) 21:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply

  • Support I was going to propose this myself, but didn't because I felt there'd be objections to having two American items on top. DC v. Heller, the precedent for McDonald, was posted back in June 2008. When I was looking around for int'l coverage of Byrd's death, this story was tops on the BBC homepage. ~DC Let's Vent 21:27, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Oppose local news only really of interest to people who live in Chicago - a basic repeat of the supreme courts earlier ruling on Washington DC's gun laws (source). -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:29, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose, minor domestic ruling with little international interest. Plus, remember the contents of the BBC News front page change depending on where you are viewing it from. Modest Genius talk 21:30, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support. This is not just a Chicago issue -- it applies nationwide to other places with laws against handguns, such as New York City. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:33, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose. Very minor domestic politics. I hate to bring the US bias thing up, but if this had been in the UK or Canada for example (both of whom I believe have much stricter restrictions on firearms), it would be completely shot down. Even in the US, though, the only people this really affects are criminals and the NRA nutters and even then, only in one city. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:49, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose. This does seem like a bit of a domestic issue to me, and the ruling doesn't seem to go beyond the previous DC case (so it's not really earth-shattering new law). On the other hand, we do have lots of readers who are obsessed with guns and explosives and stuff like that, and even more readers who roll their eyes at any mention of U.S. "gun laws", so it might get some interest. Physchim62 (talk) 23:57, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
There seems to be some misunderstanding about what exactly this case does. In an earlier decision, the court struck down the District of Columbia's ban on handguns, saying that the district, as part of the federal government, cannot ban them outright. However, not all limitations on the federal government also apply to state governments (from the federal perspective, cities are considered part of state governments). In this case, the court expanded its precedent to cover state and local governments. The limitation now applies everywhere in the U.S. Chicago happened to be the defendant in this case, but once the Supreme Court applies such a limitation to one state or local government, it automatically covers all other state and local governments with similar laws. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:03, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
As something of an opinion of order (if such a thing exists), I don't think we should be basing decisions of what should be posted based on whether they are of interest to a certain fraction of our readership. Such a system would result in a continuous stream of 'news' on (primarily American) celebrities, sport and 'entertainment' items, and reinforce systemic bias. Our criteria include 'significance', not interest to some fraction of our readership. Modest Genius talk 00:09, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Typical systemic bias. Colipon+(Talk) 02:29, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Support It doesn't only affect criminals, also victims of crime. It is mainly notable because the US is an extreme black sheep in the world and everyone else is always watching (and laughing) about these laws. Of more interest than a US FTA even taking into account their economic power YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 02:58, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Oppose. It will likely affect only those small portions of the country which still have draconian, ass-backwards gun laws. The vast majority of states already protect civil rights at least to the degree specified in the decision. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ligtymn (talkcontribs) 07:32, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Chinese landslide

- 100 people trapped - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 17:11, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Neutral, it depends how it works out and while it is a lot of people the rainstorms have already appeared on ITN this month. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:32, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Is there an article? It's hard to evaluate an ITN nomination without an article. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:57, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support. Rain is hampering rescue efforts, one body has been found, and the remaining 106 people trapped are feared dead. I have added a paragraph to 2010 South China floods#Guizhou Province. Expand or split into a separate article if necessary. ~AH1(TCU) 22:07, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Switching to Support if that's the case, and AstroHurricane has put in a lot of work into that article :). -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:10, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Support. Enough people. --candlewicke 22:26, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment. I'm going to have to work on that article more later, it looks like 2010 will be a hectic year for all sorts of natural (?) disasters. ~AH1(TCU) 23:05, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • It could do with a bit more detail before posting. Splitting it into a new article might not be a bad idea, but either way is fine, provided there's a reasonable amount of information. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 09:14, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment. I've updated the article, but could not find enough information yet to spilt into a new page. So far, there are 10 dead, 89 missing and feared dead, 8 found alive but never buried, and 1,000 evacuated. For a blurb, how about "A landslide is triggered by flooding in Guizhou Province, China, trapping 99 people while forcing the evacuation of 1,000 others, and at least 10 bodies have been found". ~AH1(TCU) 20:54, 1 July 2010 (UTC)reply

Kyrgyzstan approves new constitution

-http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/06/27/kyrgyzstan.constitution/index.html?hpt=T2&fbid=Sek5GGjLan6 Kubek15 write/sign 11:38, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Oh, please vote... Kubek15 write/sign 15:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Voting - Support - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 17:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
wait until the results are out. Right now i've updated only what little the news is reporting (no exact numbers, etc)(btw- the link to the referendum page is in yesterday nominations) Lihaas (talk) 19:47, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support in principle, but wait until the official results. Is there an article which has been updated? Modest Genius talk 21:31, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support. A new constitution is much rarer than a new prime minister of president. --candlewicke 22:28, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
We still need some content before we can post that... it would be a pity not to post because it is a big story. --Tone 09:03, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
There. Now, quickly! ;) A new constitution is too important. Suggest: Kyrgyzstan approves a new constitution. or whatever is best. --candlewicke 23:41, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Can you give me a slightly more detailed blurb? I'm all for being concise, but 5 words is a little curt. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:48, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Posting, slightly modified. --Tone 09:29, 1 July 2010 (UTC)reply

Death of Robert Byrd

-Nom - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 09:55, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply

  • Support Robert Byrd, longest-serving Senator in U.S. history, dies at age 92 - 74.171.71.173 (talk) 10:57, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Support, but only after a more substantial update (particularly the addition of reactions from colleagues) occurs. Byrd was the longest-serving and highest-ranked U.S. Senator, third in line to the nation's presidency. —David Levy 12:11, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • I usually oppose deaths but considering this ends the longest term in US senate history, I support. --Golbez (talk) 12:38, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Oppose. We have too many politician's deaths on ITN. I don't think Byrd was as exceptionally notable as we usually require under the death criteria: what did he do that was special, apart from getting elected a lot? After all, getting elected was just his day job. Physchim62 (talk) 12:45, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
He died while he was third in the line of succession to the Presidency. That seems fairly notable. --Smashvilletalk 14:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Why? We don't usually post the deaths of serving Vice-Presidents (although we might make an exception from time to time), let alone thirds-in-line. Physchim62 (talk) 14:22, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
We shouldn't consider all VPs equal, same with those third in line. ~DC Let's Vent 14:45, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Well the Unites States senators can hardly have considered the position of third-in-line to the Presidency to be that transcendential, otherwise they wouldn't have elected a 92-year old to the post! Physchim62 (talk) 14:57, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • oppose since he died at age of 92. we really have to stop posting deaths at that age unless extremely notable. Way too many deaths getting posted. the top ITN item is already a death of politician. -- Ashish-g55 14:31, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Why does age matter when they are still in office? --Smashvilletalk 15:19, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
It shouldn't. It only needs to meet one of the three death criteria, and seeing that he was in high office (as President Pro Tem of the Senate), it easily meets criteria 1.
  • Strong Support: Longest serving Member of Congress in history, third in line to the world's most powerful office.--User: Duffy2032|Duffy2032 (talk) 14:42, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Support there are probably 95+ US Senators who's death I wouldn't consider notable enough. But since he's both the longest serving senator (and longest serving member of congress), and President Pro Tem of the Senate, I think he is notable. ~DC Let's Vent 14:45, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
As an aside, it still lacks much of an update. I'll try and work on it, but for now I'd say it isn't substantial enough. ~DC Let's Vent 14:53, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Support as per Duffy2032--Wikireader41 (talk) 15:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Oppose unless the same level of notability as in Ted Kennedy case can be demonstrated. Being third in line for the office does not seem very ITN-worthy by itself, he was not head of state and for consistency, would you consider listing the oldest senator in another country? --Tone 15:43, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
The US isn't your average country. Half our readers are from the US. Plus it's the world's largest economy, only superpower, etc. ~DC Let's Vent 15:49, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
That does not convince me. And I don't want to start another pro/anti US bias debate as those can get pretty nasty. Demonstrating that Byrd received a similar amount of news coverage in non-US media as Kennedy did would convince me, though. --Tone 15:55, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Btw, what you have just demonstrated is that US is notable ;-) And surely noone objects that. --Tone 16:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
LOL. His death is on the frontpage of bbc.co.uk (I realize it's the international version, not the British one, but it still show's it's importance). Also on the frontpage of ABC News (the Aussie one), Toronto G&M, The Guardian. ~DC Let's Vent 16:28, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Also, on the front page of the German, Spanish, Dutch, Norwegian, and Finnish wikis (all under the heading recent deaths, I assume). Sort of reminds me of when we we're amongst the last to post Kennedy's death. ~DC Let's Vent 16:34, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Wikis do not count. But let's say you convinced me. Always good to do some research on the international scale. Changing to neutral. --Tone 17:56, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
For the record, I would support an item about the death of the longest-serving member of another nation's legislature, assuming that an appropriate article update occurred. —David Levy 17:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Support He served longer than any other member of Congress, as the chair of the Appropriations Committee he was the "King of Pork", he was part of the filibuster of the Civil Rights Act, he is responsible for the Byrd Rule, he was Majority Leader of the Senate for 12 years, he wrote a multi-volume history of the Senate. Is that enough? -Rrius (talk) 15:52, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
FWIW, he was also a member of the Gang of 14, and although his membership in the KKK helped propel him into politics, he enthusiastically endorsed Barack Obama near the end of his career. -Rrius (talk) 16:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Support. I'm sure if this was the death of the longest-serving parliamentarian in history, there'd be waves of support coming in. Same rationale applies here. Just about any other senator I wouldn't considering putting on here; even Ted Kennedy I was unsure of. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 16:04, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Support The man was the longest serving member of the United States legislature ever, his death is certainly notable to the English version of Wikipedia. The death itself is not what's at issue here; it is his life and record of service which is the main cause of his candidacy for ITN. Cwill151 (talk) 16:29, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Strong Support--Istcol (talk) 16:52, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Query This discussion has been going on for 7 hours and there appears to be consensus in favour of posting. At what point do we close and add? -Rrius (talk) 17:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
A sufficient article update has yet to occur. —David Levy 17:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Support. I made my way here to find out why his death was not listed. Post it already. Abductive (reasoning) 17:35, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
A sufficient article update has yet to occur. —David Levy 17:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I agree with David. We need more on things like reaction to the death. The material shouldn't be difficult to come by, so it's not asking a lot. I'll post this as soon as the update is sufficient. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:43, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
It's not clear what you are talking about. A quote from the Harry Reid and fellow W.VA senator Rockefellar? -Rrius (talk) 17:55, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Whenever someone extremely notable dies, lots of another notable people come out and pay tribute to them, so a few quotes from other well-known US politicians and other non-US notable people would be good. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I've added Obama, Biden, and Rockefeller. Is that enough for now? -Rrius (talk) 18:07, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
That'll do- if you can find quotes from former POTUSs and possibly international politicians, hat would be ideal, but it's sufficient now imho. Thus, posting. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I agree that this update satisfies our criteria. —David Levy 18:36, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Support posting once the article has been updated, since international reactions have been pointed out by DC. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 17:49, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Belated and almost certainly futile oppose. Simply not a globally notable person, does not meet the death criteria in my opinion. Modest Genius talk 21:34, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
(edit conflict) Oppose though I suspect it will have no effect and I sense a further problem. Byrd's importance here seems to be argued on the basis of him being the longest serving politician, being the third highest ranking after the president and vice-president, and so on. Daniel Inouye has apparently been named as his successor. He is 85 years old (and good for him). But he might live for many years, he might not. If he does not, will there be a nomination for him as well based upon all the achievements in the opening paragraph of his article? And then who succeeds him? I see no reason for the third most important person in any country to be on ITN and don't know where this is going to lead in terms of nominations. Apart from that, the ITN section is the first and only place I have read of or even casually noticed this man's death today. I thought maybe I had missed it or had not been paying attention. I have just checked the BBC for example (after knowing that the man was dead and expecting to find him there) - there are at least two United States items on the Front Page and no mention of Byrd - one of them is even the latest supreme court nomination. Aljazeera has nothing, not even in the "Americas" section. CBC News - nothing in the "home", "world" or "politics" sections. Just three sites from different parts of the world that I've checked right now. While I recognise that Byrd is very important to the United States I am not convinced about his international importance at all. --candlewicke 22:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
It was on the BBC earlier. ~DC Let's Vent 22:53, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose per Candlewicke. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Torn. On one hand, he was the longest-serving member of Congress. On the other hand, we want to limit deaths on ITN lest it become an obituary service, and Byrd was not nearly the kind of national figure that Ted Kennedy was. But then again, he certainly was a big deal to the people of West Virginia, and I'm sure we have a lot of readers from there. But then again, WV has fewer than 2 million people... and so on. I could go either way on this one. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:33, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Leaning support. I am generally quite sensitive towards U.S. systemic bias for ITN, and have made numerous stands against it, but this time I have to say that there is no way Algirdas Brazauskas is more notable (or even comes close) when compared to Robert Byrd. Both men died of natural causes. Thus my proposition is that we take off Brazauskas, so we don't make Wikipedia look like a funeral centre for old politicians. As for international media attention, Byrd trumps Brazauskas by far. It's like having the elections of Nauru and Australia next to each other on ITN, let's use some common sense. Colipon+(Talk) 22:48, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Brazauskas was President from 1993 to 1998 and Prime Minister from 2001 to 2006. He was also his country's first President. He held the two highest political posts in his country for at least 10 years with several years off in between and was still influential at his death. That does not suggest someone who is less notable. What more could Brazauskas do? He certainly wasn't an average leader. --candlewicke 23:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I think comparisons with Brazukas aren't helpful. I believe his death should be on ITN, but comparing his notability with Byrd's is a bit like comparing apples and oranges. While Byrd wasn't well known outside the US, Brazukas was hardly well known in the Anglosphere, but Byrd was influential in American politics up until his death as Brazukas was in Lithuanian politics and I daresay most English Wikipedia readers have a better knowledge of American politics than Lithuaninan. FWIW, I have no conflict of interest as an Englishman who's never heard of either. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:56, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I agree that the comparisons don't help, but people will always make them. It's human nature. ~DC Let's Vent 00:43, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Comment I hope this doesn't get "Woodened." Time and time again an item will get only objections after it's posted, because people who support it's inclusion don't feel a need to chime in after it's posted (why support something that's already up?) ~DC Let's Vent 22:53, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Although you do have a point, this went up rather quickly (7 hours) after a large number of early support votes. Since most aren't 'regulars' (and I imply no criticism by that) I assume many came here after hearing the news through other outlets. It works both ways - various people see it is missing, disagree, and come here to suggest/support it; and then others see it there, disagree, and come here. Some (the aforementioned 'regulars') would come here and offer their opinion anyway. But I for one do not check the candidates page every few hours during my working day. Modest Genius talk 23:59, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Makes sense. People generally chime in to change something they disagree with (i.e. adding something that hasn't been added yet, or removing something that was). I think it shows how ITN needs more participation (there are what, a dozen or so "regulars", plus maybe another dozen "observers" who chime in less frequently, plus the smattering of non-regulars). Maybe it's time to add a link to ITNC to the template (DYK does it). Of course, this isn't the proper venue discuss it, but I think it's something to consider. ~DC Let's Vent 00:43, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
That would result in an influx of new participants, but how many of them would be informed participants (i.e. users who understand that the section isn't a news ticker and is intended to highlight encyclopedia articles updated to reflect recent/current events)? I suspect that we would receive more feedback along the lines of "OMG, HOW COULD YOU NOT REPORT THIS?!?! IT'S HUGE NEWS!!!!11!!" than anything else. —David Levy 01:14, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply

They can just be ignored if they do that, I'd support a link from the homepage. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 19:09, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Isn't this a wiki? Don't we use consensus? If there's consensus for ITN to be a newsticker, than so be it. And yea, I know the response is WP:NOTNEWS, but doesn't DYK violate WP:TRIVIA under that same logic. ~DC Let's Vent 20:06, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Oppose I know it's up already. But this not international news in the slightest. I wonder if any of these "support" votes are from non-Americans. I also wonder how many Americans had even heard of him before his death. My on-the-spot survey (admitedly, of only two Americans) suggests not many. Kombucha (talk) 21:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Late support as a non-American to hopefully stem the tide of consensus towards this getting pulled. The longest serving member of the world's most recognised legislative body. Clearly a giant of his times. This death is all over the international news. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:39, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
"All over international news"... on the BBC News site I have to go to the Americas section and then scroll to the bottom to find anything about it. It's not on the main "World" page and it's certainly not a headline. Kombucha (talk) 22:34, 29 June 2010 (UTC)reply
It has dropped out of the international news rapidly. I read the BBC news website as well and I only learnt about this from Wikipedia. Carcharoth (talk) 00:14, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Oppose - I've read the arguments above, and I know it has already been posted, but I'm not convinced that this sort of posting takes ITN in the right direction (it takes us further down the slippery slope to an obituary postings that started when the death of Ted Kennedy was posted). Do any ITN regulars know whether similar "longest-serving" politicians in other countries get put on ITN or not? I suspect not, but in this case at least I think the focus should have been on the office and not the person. i.e. update and draw attention to the article on the office, particularly as the incumbent of the office depends on which party is in power (the most senior senator in the majority party), so not even the most senior politician in some cases, though he was in this case. I would suggest something like: "US senator Daniel Inouye becomes President pro tem of the Senate following the death of the longest-serving senator Robert Byrd at the age of 92.". Carcharoth (talk) 00:14, 30 June 2010 (UTC)reply

June 27

ITN candidates for June 27

Burundian presidential election, 2010

First round of the first direct presidential elections since 1993 - Dumelow (talk) 14:12, 17 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Obviously we may not get a result, in which case the second round is on 26 July 2010. The article needs some work also - Dumelow (talk) 15:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Considering the fact that all opposition candidates withdrew, it is obvious what the result will be. Still, the article needs to be expanded and then it has my support, in principle. --Tone 16:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
It is still technically possible for Pierre Nkurunziza to lose as there is an option to vote against him. Though there have been allegations of widespread electoral fraud so it is likely that it won't matter which way the people vote anyway - Dumelow (talk) 16:43, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Elections in Kyrgzstan and Guinea

I added the wikilinks above, but would wait for the results for publication (also would tweak the Kygrz text above)Lihaas (talk) 17:30, 27 June 2010 (UTC)reply

For reference the Guinea articles are at Guinean presidential election, 2010 and Guinean legislative election, 2010 - Dumelow (talk) 15:01, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Death of Algirdas Brazauskas

- Lithuanian politician, President (1993–1998); Prime Minister (2001–2006) - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 07:58, 27 June 2010 (UTC)reply

  • Algirdas Brazauskas, the first post-Soviet President of Lithuania, dies in Vilnius, aged 77.
    • Support Being the first Lithuanian president following the breakup of the Soviet Union I think makes this notable enough for inclusion. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 12:18, 27 June 2010 (UTC)reply
    • Support - What Kitch said. APK whisper in my ear 15:44, 27 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Oppose for now. The article simple is not good enough for ITN. There is only one reference, nothing about his death apart from the day and overall, the article is way too short. --Tone 16:33, 27 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • The article needs some serious work before it could be considered, but a former head of state is certainly notable enough. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Much improved now, still needs some expansion (particularly the details of the death (i presume he died of cancer and not something else?)). But i would support nowLihaas (talk) 17:57, 27 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • The timer's red and ITN is looking very stale, so I would love to get this up, but I can post an article tagged with {{update}} and {{citations missing}} and that has only one sentence about his death. It looks ten times better than it did when this was nominated and the latter tag is probably not warranted. I will post this if someone can turn the sentence about his death into a reasonable sized paragraph. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:34, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Done.Lihaas (talk) 1:32, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Thank you! Posting HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:12, 28 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Comet C/2009 R1

Currently at about magnitude +5, and approaching the sun, while it could brighten to magnitude +2 or +3 by the end of the month. We put up Comet Lulin on ITN last year when it was at a similar magnitude, but this is currently a morning comet. However, the only problem may be that this article was already listed for DYK back on June 16. ~AH1(TCU) 00:50, 27 June 2010 (UTC)reply

This was nominated about a week ago (see 18 June on Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/June 2010), when the consensus was to wait to see if it got really bright. 'Could' isn't enough, and +5 is faint enough that you'd only spot it if you were looking for it. Modest Genius talk 11:38, 27 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Strong Oppose Unless it's brilliant enough to be easily seen, like the first Comet McNaught in 2008, it should not even bear consideration. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 12:21, 27 June 2010 (UTC)reply

June 26

ITN candidates for June 26

36th G8 summit and 2010 G-20 Toronto summit in Canada

As per candidate explanation for June 25. G-20 meeting will comprise the heads of state of 19 economically powerful countries, European Union leaders, 7 international organizations (such as the UN and World Bank), and 6 other heads of state (non-G-20 members) invited to the summit--quite an extensive attendance. Both summits are being held one after another (G-20 summit will follow the G8 summit) on this day; G8 ends today while G-20 starts today and continues tommorow. The G-20 summit remains the most important of the two as it has an extended membership, considerable international news coverage, and notable as the most expensive security operation in Canadian history (probably the largest summit held, as per sources outlined in the article in question). G-20 meetings, as per previous meetings, have a profound effect on world economy, as summit discussion relates to top socio-economic issues and the concurrent global economic recession. Eelam StyleZ (talk) 05:33, 26 June 2010 (UTC)reply

So... why is this listed again? –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 12:21, 26 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Well, it is a different day. Or are previous candidates still worth posting on ITN the next day? If so then my mistake. Eelam StyleZ (talk) 15:42, 26 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Why is there no mention of the G8 on the ITN?(Lihaas (talk) 19:44, 26 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Indeed; the current ITN item should mention both G8 and G20. -M.Nelson (talk) 00:25, 27 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Firstly, candidates don't become ineligible because they were nominated on the previous day. Second, this has already been posted and is currently on ITN. Tird and finally, I shall add a mention of the G8. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:37, 27 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I've changed the blurb to include a mention of the G8 as well. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:47, 27 June 2010 (UTC)reply
The current blurb implies that the two are the same summit; how about something like:
Leaders of the world's major economies convene at the 36th G8 summit and 2010 G-20 Toronto summit in Huntsville and Toronto, Ontario, respectively.
-M.Nelson (talk) 00:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Another option is:
Leaders of the G8 and G-20 attend summits in Huntsville and Toronto, Ontario respectively.
-M.Nelson (talk) 00:59, 27 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Is the gathering of these leaders (as they do on a regular schedule) noteworthy in comparison to the unseen levels of chaos that hit Toronto streets yesterday? NO! - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 16:50, 27 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Agree with mention of both, i also posted a message at errors in "in the news"Lihaas (talk) 17:25, 27 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Also agree. G8 and G-20 should be mentioned together. Also, protests should also be mentioned as they are receiving enough attention from media. A decision of creating a separate article for G-20 protests is currently under consideration (see Toronto summit talk page). On a side note, Toronto should not have Ontario or Canada following it, just like how its written on ITN at the moment. Eelam StyleZ (talk) 18:03, 27 June 2010 (UTC)reply

June 25

ITN candidates for June 25

36th G8 summit and 2010 G-20 Toronto summit in Canada

Pretty ITN-worthy as the largest economies in the world, with half the world's population at least, meet amidst the current economic re-downturn. (technically G20 starts tomorrow, but i think it can double up here as only a few hours divides the similiar event and it would then have to be edited on the main page)Lihaas (talk) 12:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Support due to both groups' importance, as well as the major controversy over security costs that it has caused in Canada. --PlasmaTwa2 18:33, 25 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support, pretty obvious reasons. G8/G20 meetings were previously ITN candidates. Infact, it's the last important G8 meeting and first G8/G-20 meetings happening back to back. Eelam StyleZ (talk) 21:37, 25 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support APK whisper in my ear 21:43, 25 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment: Do we have an article to be updated? Physchim62 (talk) 21:52, 25 June 2010 (UTC)reply
36th G8 summit and 2010 G-20 Toronto summit. APK whisper in my ear 22:29, 25 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support per above--Wikireader41 (talk) 00:09, 26 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support an important meeting. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 10:51, 26 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support as long as the articles are updated to reflect the results of the summits (if there are any!). I suggest we post the G8 once it finishes this evening (and once the article has been updated), and then tweak the blurb to include the G20 when that finishes tomorrow evening. Physchim62 (talk) 12:33, 26 June 2010 (UTC)reply

June 24

ITN candidates for June 24

Singapore's Marina Bay Sands opens

Oppose nothing newsworthy about this. Hotels' open all the time, even casinos dont have ITN precedence.(Lihaas (talk) 22:20, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose its just a Casino. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:29, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose What Lihaas said. APK whisper in my ear 02:36, 25 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Thirteen people killed crossing railway in Spain

Nom by Mjroots (talk)

Support - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 19:50, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Death toll now up to 13: not because anyone else has died, but they've only just finished putting the body parts together... Physchim62 (talk) 22:08, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
oppose nothing especially ITN-worthy. how many people die crossing railway lines a year?Lihaas (talk) 22:31, 24 June 2010 (UTC)).reply
Not usually twelve at once, and the story has been all over the news (in Europe at least) today. Physchim62 (talk) 22:33, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Death toll now 13, amended title and blurb accordingly. Mjroots (talk) 05:33, 25 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support. I think it is sufficiently rare to get train accidents on this scale. The article is looking good as well - Dumelow (talk) 10:18, 25 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment. I think the scale is unusual for this type of accident. In Spain, for example, in 2008 (last year for which figures are available), 35 people died crossing railway tracks; two more people died in Catalonia alone in two separate track crossing accidents on Wednesday evening. But trains ploughing into large groups of people (rather than just individuals) is unusual. Physchim62 (talk) 12:20, 25 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Posting Timer is yellow, and the article looks sufficient. Courcelles (talk) 16:39, 25 June 2010 (UTC)reply

25th anniversary apology for Air India Flight 182

Support, although the problems with the article itself still keeps it from being posted. --PlasmaTwa2 05:03, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose. The release of the report last week would have been a far better time to post this, but it was not due to the appalling state of the article. It has not been improved since; I see no reason to justify re-nomination, let alone changing the previous decision. Modest Genius talk 12:32, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Neutral. I support the posting of a prime-ministerial apology resulting from the findings of this enquiry, but I weakly oppose if the article is still as bad as it was last week (I haven't looked). MickMacNee (talk) 23:55, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Isner–Mahut match at the 2010 Wimbledon Championships

Mahut and Isner are currently playing in the "longest tennis match in history" at the 2010 Wimbledon Championships. They have played over 100 games for over 7 hours. Isner has also set a record for aces at Wimbledon with 53 (and counting). (The Guardian) (BBC) (SB Nation) (Crunchsports) - JuneGloom07 Talk? 17:12, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Support once the match finishes. Perhaps not the most earth-shattering news we've ever seen, but a nice general-interest story. Where would the update go? Modest Genius talk 17:24, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support. We can decide where to put the update when the match is over and we have the full details. Physchim62 (talk) 17:29, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support This has smashed the previous record, so it's not something I'd expect to see beaten in my lifetime.yorkshiresky (talk) 17:40, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support once match ends. Might be worth linking to Longest tennis match records -93.97.122.93 (talk) 17:44, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I'd say put the update either in the Wimbledon 2010 articles or it might be notable enough for its own article. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:48, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support when it has ended and if indeed this is the longest match in history. The longest match in Wimbledon history wouldn't be good enough but "in history" seems important enough. --candlewicke 18:18, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Per HJMitchell I just created Nicolas Mahut v. John Isner (2010), which hopefully people can use to document this record breaking epic. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 18:57, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support - When finished, which may well be tomorrow. They're still going with serve, and if this goes to tomorrow, isn't it the first time in history when this has happened not due to weather? I'd imagine they'd have to postpone the winners next match too, as they're supposed to play tomorrow. Regards, --—Cyclonenim | Chat  19:30, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support once the match finishes. APK whisper in my ear 19:34, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support of not I've added merge headers to both articles. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 19:42, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I've merged them. All should be fine now. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:48, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support Quite an extraordinary story that will certainly attract readers. --Mkativerata (talk) 19:51, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support I actually came here just to suggest this. Incredible stuff. Makeemlighter (talk) 20:20, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support Remarkable and of interest to a very large audience. __meco (talk) 20:59, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment given it won't finish until tomorrow, can this be posted now? -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:21, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Let the guys finish the match, then we post with the final number. Otherwise, we could be updating the blurb each consecutive game. But when it is finished, we post In Wimbeldon (first stage...) X defeats Y in the longest tennis match in history or something like this. --Tone 21:38, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I agree we should let the match finish - which will now be in at least another 14 hours, I guess. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:40, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support when it ends... if it ever ends! -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:08, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Suggested blurb:
Wimbledon: Nicolas Mahut defeats John Isner 4-6, 6-3, 7-6, 6-7, 999-997 in the longest match in tennis history
with the score updated (and switched if Isner wins) as necessary. I know we don't usually include scores, but the epic number of games played is the whole point in this story. Modest Genius talk 23:23, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I think we should say something like "break several records in the longest match in tennis history. Physchim62 (talk) 23:26, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support, this is an epic tennis match and probably one of the longest match in all of sports. Rarely is such a feat seen. I think it's a no brainer and should link to 2010 Wimbledon: Mahut–Isner match, as well as longest match in tennis history. It's amazing that a first round Wimbley match is trumping World Cup in the world of sports! Captain Courageous (talk) 23:34, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
'all sports'? I know it hasn't finished yet, but it's got some way to go to surpass any year's 24 Hours of Le Mans or Dakar Rally, and there have been plenty of very long snooker matches (just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are other examples). Modest Genius talk 23:47, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • A tennis match with numerous records attached to it. Normally, even the championship winner probably wouldn't be ITN-worthy, but the sheer abnormality of the match makes this a special case. Doc Quintana (talk) 01:26, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Note: This is nominated under yesterday's date where the consensus seems to be to include it when the match ends. --candlewicke 01:31, 24 June 2010 (UTC) reply
Let's move it to June 25 then *scnr* --78.43.172.126 (talk) 15:36, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Support when the match ends. Goodness, I was tired after playing 2.5 hours of tennis about a week ago; I can't even comprehend 10. —Ed (talkmajestic titan) 04:32, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Note: The two discussions have now been merged to avoid confusion. --candlewicke 04:45, 24 June 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Strong support can't remember any kind of sport where the incumbent record was doubled, eg a team scoring 250+ points in a soccer match, or a 15-0 win in a soccer final etc. YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 05:26, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Strong support Why isn't this on the main page already? This feat transcends sports - it is a once-in-a-life time general event - we should feature it both while it is happening and once the match is complete! CapnZapp (talk) 10:21, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
    The news is now - and yesterday. Once the match is actually over, wikinews will be the last media to report it. CapnZapp (talk) 10:23, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
    We don't wait until volcanic eruptions and other longish events are over before reporting them - this match belongs on the front page right now. Besides, the records are already now broken (and newsworthy). Regards, CapnZapp (talk) 10:25, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Support putting it in now. The records are already broken, the coverage is all over the place. Why do we have to wait for the match to end, when the highest interest will probably be now anyway? Quantpole (talk) 10:57, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • support waiting until it finishes. It's probably better to wait at least 5 mins after it finishes for the article to settle down. MickMacNee (talk) 15:13, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • We can finally post the story, Isner has won. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 15:49, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Posting I've watched an awful lot of tennis in my life, but this was simply amazing. Courcelles (talk) 15:59, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Eh, well... I left the image alone for now, Gillard hasn't been up very long, and none of the pictures of Isner are that great, anyway. Courcelles (talk) 16:09, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply

June 23

ITN candidates for June 23

Australian Labor Party leadership election

Julia Gillard
Julia Gillard

In 1 and a half hours, the Australian Labor Party will hold a spill of its leadership (Kevin Rudd current Prime Minister), with Julia Gillard, according to reliable sources, to become Australia's first female Prime Minister. 9. I'm putting this up a little early to note two things in advance for this ITN: (1) she won't be PM until she's sworn in by the Governor-General; and (2) in the very unlikely event that Rudd wins, oppose as we don't post unsuccessful party coups. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:29, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Support iff and when she becomes the new PM. Not before. Changes of heads of state are of course ITN material. --Tone 21:36, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
This is a head of government, not a head of state, I assume that doesn't make a difference? --Mkativerata (talk) 21:41, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
My mistake. What I wanted to say was that we post change of president, PM and monarch (whichever position exists in a given country). These are the top positions. Probably Governor-General in the Commonwealth as well. --Tone 21:50, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Well Her Majesty the Queen is the head of state in Oz, but it's only a constitutional monarchy. Anyway, this should be a no-brainer if/when we have confirmation. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:53, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
If an appointment as PM is a fait accompli after a successful leadership challenge, I think we should post right away rather than wait for a formal change of power. If the challenge is unsuccessful, I'll leave it to an Australian to say whether that's real big deal news event. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:13, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Has now happened. Gillard is now leader of the Federal Australian Labor Party and will be formally sworn in by the Governor-General later today. The swearing in is merely a formality, Gillard is now PM. First female PM in Australia's history. -- Mattinbgn\talk 23:41, 23 June 2010 (UTC) See here for story and Australian Labor Party leadership election, 2010 for wikipedia article. -- Mattinbgn\talk 23:51, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support. There's a nice photo as well to balance the male/female images and it is something from the Southern Hemisphere. --candlewicke 23:58, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support the moment she is sworn in by the Governor-General. --PlasmaTwa2 00:26, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support Surprised this isn't up yet. PageantUpdater talkcontribs 01:12, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • According to her article, she hasn't been sworn in yet. Ass soon as she is and the article is updated, it can go up. If it happens on the next hour or 2, I should be around to post it. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:40, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • If people are anxious to have it in, substitute "will become" for "becomes", then update after she's sworn. -Rrius (talk) 02:10, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Associated Press: "Since she is leader of the majority party in Parliament, Gillard's swearing in as prime minister is a formality." Arsonal (talk) 02:14, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
We're only following the same protocol as we did for Gordon Brown in June 2007... Physchim62 (talk) 02:18, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • No one doubts that, but she is not PM until appointed and sworn. Full stop. The articles should not be updated until then, and obviously ITN should not say something that hasn't been changed at the relevant article. -Rrius (talk) 02:19, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
But she's won the election in relevance and people want to know about the election. Elections are always listed immediately when there is a clearcut result, people don't wait until they are sworn in by the highest judicial body or head of state YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 02:21, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
(edit conflict) Then you state she won the election; you don't go beyond the truth. If you read what I said, you'd see I suggested you could fix the wording for the time being by simply changing "becomes" to "will become". -Rrius (talk) 02:31, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I know, it was a wording mistake on my part to put in present tense her becoming PM instead of being elected PM. I am proposing to insert the latter as that is the convention and seems that people are ready for it. I am posting here as I have been reverted YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 02:35, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
We should either (1) put up that she has been elected as the ALP leader and is "set to become" PM; or (2) wait. We can't say she is the PM because she isn't. It's more than mere formalities; it's about accuracy. --Mkativerata (talk) 02:29, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
We waited for the UK, we waited for Nauru, for Colombia and for finland. With the Swedish wedding, we waited til they were married, so we can wait for Australia. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:35, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I don't know about Nauru and Finland, but the Wedding and the Blair/Brown change were long expected. This is breaking news that should have been up in one form or other long ago simply on the basis of the spill. -Rrius (talk) 02:38, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I have the blurb, I've uploaded and protected the image and all I have to do is hit "save" (I've even written out the blurb) which i will do as soon as this is official. The precedent for ITN is we wait til it's official, no matter how strongly people object to it. I don;t agree with it, but it's the way things are done. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:43, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Was the Colombian president sworn in right after the election? I haven't been following but don't think he was. Brown's was a scheduled takeover, not an election win. This is an election win like the others, unless all the other countries were sworn in on election night. With weddings the main event is the fanfare and kissing on the balcony, the glamourous dress worn by the princess, with politics, the drama and backstabbing is the main event, not signing a piece of paper YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 02:48, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I'm inclined to agree with YM here; I don't think we should be overly bound by conventions that aren't strictly analagous. We can put up an accurate blurb that reflects the true state of affairs at the moment and update it when she is sworn in very shortly (TV cameras are currently parked outside Gov House). --Mkativerata (talk) 02:51, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
She's at Gov House now. --Mkativerata (talk) 02:52, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Post please I've checked and JM Santos is still the P-elect, he hasn't been sworn yet, but he won the relevant election, same as Gillard, so I say post it, and there is consensus to do so YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 02:54, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
On Finland, whose events are somewhat similar to Australia's (change in party leadership though triggered differently), Tone mentioned that the election was what mattered and posted the news item ahead of Kiviniemi's confirmation. He also stated that a non-confirmation is a news item of its own. Arsonal (talk) 02:58, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Yes, please post ASAP. Aaroncrick TALK 02:59, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Actually, the ceremony is about to happen on live tv. Maybe it isn't worth posting then updating. -Rrius (talk) 03:00, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply

She's sworn in now so the above debate is moot. --Mkativerata (talk) 03:02, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
It's the (party room) election that's important and newsworthy, more so than the swearing in. Gordon Brown situation was a little different because that was a handover not an election, I believe. Post now. Peter Ballard (talk) 03:04, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply

2010 Central Canada earthquake

- A 5.5 magnitude quake, very rare, felt in New York City, Montreal, Toronto, and other thousands of places. Minor injuries. - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 19:03, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose even though its very rare in NYC but it was not a major earthquake. --Saki talk 19:31, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Somewhat unusual for its location, but a Californian would laugh off this "earthquake." -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Weak support. Shaking here was fairly weak, but this one was felt over a very extensive area (about 1,500 km across10) and quakes of this magnitude occur around this region only about once a decade. I think we posted a mag. 4 earthquake in England a while back, simply because it was relatively rare, and this quake hitting a populated area is also somewhat rare (originally the shakemaps had up to Mercalli IX, but now it's down to maximum of VI). ~AH1(TCU) 22:29, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose as its a big news week. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:31, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
not much actually happened but i do kinda like the article -- Ashish-g55 22:50, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I'm going to support this. Although there wasn't any major damage, we have a nicely developed article and judging from the number of edits, this is a big deal to a lot of people and something that many people might be expecting to see on ITN. I think the rarity of such an occurrence in this area outweighs what would make it a fairly trivial area in, for example, California which is (according to my quick Google maps search) over 2000 miles away. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:36, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose, no major damage, of interest only to those in its locality. Same as the Lincolnshire earthquake last year (or was it two years ago?). Modest Genius talk 23:44, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I think it was 2 years ago. It was of interest to me- it woke my grandmother up in Nottingham! I still think this is ITN-worthy, though, especially since we have a quality article. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:47, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose - No major damage, no serious injuries, and as mentioned above, it's a big news week. Nice article though. APK whisper in my ear 23:58, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Support, it was the first of its kind to hit places like the Greater Toronto Area and the rest of Southern Ontario in several years. Though there were no injuries, it received considerable national and international media coverage. Eelam StyleZ (talk) 00:23, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Support per Eelam. --PlasmaTwa2 00:27, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
i will support this per the rarity of event. this is first time since 1998 and it was felt by quite a large number of ppl. plus as i said above article is actually pretty good. -- Ashish-g55 01:06, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I am going to oppose because of how often I read about earthquakes in rare places around the world. This doesn't seem to be the first in history either. There is virtually no devastation. There's no shortage of disasters at the moment - Chinese floods, Brazilian floods, train crash in the Republic of the Congo, all involving dozens and hundreds of deaths and injuries and misery and mourning across the affected regions. --candlewicke 01:36, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support but change the blurb to emphasize other points besides New York. This was the most powerful earthquake to hit Ottawa in nearly 12 years, and it was felt fairly widely.--Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:37, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
That isn't actually the proposed blurb. We'd never hear the end of it if we put up an article on a Canadian earthquake saying that it could be felt in New York City. --PlasmaTwa2 04:02, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Dismissal of General Stanley McChrystal

...Commander of forces in Afghanistan General Stanley A. McChrystal resigns after a critical interview in Rolling Stone.(BBC)(Guardian)yorkshiresky (talk) 18:28, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Comment change dismissal to resigns as it's unclear if he was pushed or jumped. BBC/Guardian sites for example report both options. yorkshiresky (talk) 18:35, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support - Worldwide coverage. (Al Jazeera, Der Spiegel, Financial Times, France 24, The New York Times, The Sydney Morning Herald, The Times of India, Xinhua News Agency) McChrystal will be replaced by David Petraeus. APK whisper in my ear 19:45, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support Clearly a very big news story. __meco (talk) 20:58, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support clearly a very important story - there seem to have been a lot today! -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:42, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Red Sea oil spill

"Largest offshore spill in Egyptian history", according to the article. I know it is a little short right now but is this doing as much damage to Egypt as the American oil spill seems to be doing to the United States? The Egyptians seem to be doing better at cleaning it up, though there seems to have been a delay in telling the public and "Media reports suggested, however, that 20 kilometres of coastline had been polluted". --candlewicke 05:07, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply

  • Support - Relevant, informative, and interesting.   — C M B J   07:16, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • comment It does look like a very small spill, doesn't it? __meco (talk) 08:13, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
That's a good point, though the current details seem uncertain at best. According to NPR, an Egyptian environmental organization alleges that their government is downplaying the extent of the leak.   — C M B J   08:35, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Wait. We need more sources, the situation is not clear. But in principle, I support if it shows true. --Tone 09:07, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Indeed, there's no need to rush to get something up that might later turn out not to be a big deal, better to wait until we know exactly what's going on. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:17, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply

June 22

ITN candidates for June 22

UK budget

A major announcement for the U.K. and world economies of great interest to many Wikipedia readers. Currently the number-three story on the New York Times' website, which is highly unusual for a British politics story. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:44, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose. This is just a national budget. Bad as it may feel to us Brits, it's not an especially harsh austerity package in world terms. And Alistair Darling's last budget actually cut more of the deficit than this 11. Modest Genius talk 22:52, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Just Osbourne and Cameron playing politics- after all, if you came to power after 10 years of opposition, the first thing you're going to do is bash the previous party and bring in a new budget to undo the last 10 years' worth of work and make life that bit harder for those of us on a low income. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:54, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Domestic political news: a new government presenting an emergency budget is completely normal in global terms. Physchim62 (talk) 22:57, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support I echo Mwalcoff. As for "an emergency budget being quite normal," that's quite Orwellian, if I may. 63.138.70.132 (talk) 01:48, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply

UN investigation into alleged war crimes in Sri Lanka

I've created the War crimes in Sri Lanka article which covers this news item.--obi2canibetalk contr 21:27, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Wait until the panel releases its report in four months. Arsonal (talk) 04:31, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Usually the results are posted so it would be a good idea to nominate it again when they are available. But it's good that you've started it. :-) --candlewicke 01:39, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply

New members of the hockey Hall of Fame are inducted including the first females

Dino Ciccarelli, Cammi Granato and Angela James are elected as players with Angela James & Cammi Granato being the first women. While Jimmy Devellano and Daryl 'Doc' Seaman are elected as builders. 12--Everyone Dies In the End (talk) 20:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Strong oppose. Nowhere near significant enough. Modest Genius talk 21:11, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply
How is this not significant. This is the only time in that a Woman has been elected to a professional sports Hall of Fame. Come on how can you say this is less significant than Eurovision. WHile that gets posted. This is an international Hall Of fame. There's people from all over the world in it. It's not like the Baseball where only MLB players are in it.--Everyone Dies In the End (talk) 21:33, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply
1. This is certainly not 'the only time in that a Woman has been elected to a professional sports Hall of Fame' (just off the top of my head, see English Football Hall of Fame). Nor would it be particularly significant were it true. 2. This is a story only of interest to hardcore ice hockey fans - the sport fan on the street neither knows or cares who is inducted into the hall of fame. 3. Although I am a hockey fan myself, ice hockey is not a big sport on the international stage. I simply don't think there's enough international interest to justify posting this. 4. Much as I dislike it, Eurovision is a major cultural institution which hundreds of millions tune in to watch, and was accompanied by masses of media attention. I doubt any of that is true here. 5. The article has received only a one sentence update, with no reference. Modest Genius talk 22:00, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I don't think anyone outside of Canada can really comment on the significance of the Hockey Hall of Fame in Canada, hockey being so essential to Canadian nationhood. That said, we have quite a bit of sports on ITN now, and including selections for halls of fame might raise the argument of opening floodgates. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:33, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I agree with MG and Mwalcoff. We seem to have quite a lot of ice hockey on ITN currently (and nobody outside North America really pays much attention to it) and I'd rather save the ITN slots for the absolute most significant sports tournaments. That apples regardless of the sport- I think we have too much association football on ITN FWIW. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:59, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply

2010 Yanga train derailment

- at least 51 deaths - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 17:51, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Support as 2010 China Rail crash was posted (along with the European ones) - though the article probably needs a bit more improvement. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 17:56, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Article needs some expansion, but we've posted train crashes and derailments with significantly lower death tolls. Is it me or is it nothing but floods and train crashes at the minute? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:19, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I think part of it is that because the Chinese crash was posted people are bring up more crashes outside of Europe/the US where sadly they are more common. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:58, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Unfortunately we can't post that as it is a copy vio. First sentence is copied from first reference. As there are only 2 sentences that's a sizable amount! Mr. R00t Talk 02:10, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
The article has been expanded and the copyvio issues addressed, so I'm ready to post, but one more support would be nice. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:19, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Anybody? Please? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:49, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
It's a pity there isn't more interest if 1991 was the last time something like this happened. I don't think crashes on this scale are common at all if this is correct. --candlewicke 18:13, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply

I presume that's a support? -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:16, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Yes, I expanded the article. Sorry, I thought I'd already supported but it seems I didn't. So support to clarify. :) --candlewicke 18:39, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Mari Kiviniemi elected as new Prime Minister of Finland

I think a new head of government of an entire independent country is significant enough to be mentioned. Possible blurb:

JIP | Talk 16:23, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Changes to heads of state and government usually et on ITN, but I haven;t been able to find an article on an election. Is there one? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:52, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support. It seems to be a change of leadership under unique circumstances. The party leadership changed, resulting in a change of prime minister that has been approved by the Parliament of Finland. She will hold office until the 2011 parliamentary election. Arsonal (talk) 17:35, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Also, the parliament vote must be confirmed by the President of Finland, but that step appears to be a formality. Arsonal (talk) 17:43, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support once confirmed by the president. Modest Genius talk 21:13, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support, upon confirmation.   — C M B J   07:18, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I'll go and post. She has been elected, that's what it counts. In case the president would not confirm her, that would be another ITN story. --Tone 08:11, 23 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Belarus cuts gas to Europe in response to Russian cuts

i think this is a dramatic escalation of the conflict between Russia and Belarus which started when Gazprom announced an initial cut of 15% of gas to Belarus a few days ago, to be increased to 85%, over a disputed claim of less than $200 million in unpaid gas bills. __meco (talk) 15:23, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Saw this the other day and thought about nominating it. Yamal–Europe pipeline might be the appropriate article. Arsonal (talk) 15:56, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply

2010 Cameroon Aero Service CASA C-212 Aviocar crash

- Wreckage found - 11 killed - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 10:45, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose - small turboprop with few people aboard. We can't go featuring every single plane crash on ITN, take a look at Template:Aviation accidents and incidents in 2010 to see how many that would entail. Modest Genius talk 21:16, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose While notable people died on this crash, I just don't think it's significant enough. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:23, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply
So notable that only Ken Talbot has his own article (about a third of which is describing his death), and nor does the company they worked for have one. Modest Genius talk 22:56, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply

2010 northeastern Brazil floods

  • I started a very basic stub on this one. Looks like we'll have 3 flood items on the main page...--Tone 09:09, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply
  • I thought about nominating this a couple of days ago. It's much less extensive than the floodings in China. There are also other similar events going on at the moment. I may support it though, perhaps more likely if the article is bigger than the stub that has been created. __meco (talk) 09:36, 22 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Support and expanded. Since China is at the bottom and this is ongoing this will be the only flood on the Main Page soon. Suggest: Floods cause the deaths of at least 44 people and the disappearance of hundreds more in Brazil. Or anything else. --candlewicke 04:11, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Posting now the article has been expanded. (I hope nobody minds the fact that I nominated it the first place...) --Tone 07:37, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply

June 21

ITN candidates for June 21

Hilda archaeological site

Possible blurb: Archaeologists in Hilda, Alberta announce the largest cache of fossilized dinosaur bones in recorded history.

Came across this headline in an RSS feed today and figured I'd throw it out there.   — C M B J   07:27, 21 June 2010 (UTC)reply

There are no updates in the article about this event. SpencerT♦Nominate! 14:38, 21 June 2010 (UTC)reply
It's an interesting event, though- we haven't had anything prehistoric who though of that term, anyway? What a stupid word. Before history? up on ITN for a while. I'd update it, but I daren't go meddling with articles on subjects I know nothing about! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:51, 21 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Here are some news articles for anyone interested in taking it on.   — C M B J   18:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)reply

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