Wikipedia as a tool in the propoganda war

Following reports of an Israeli course on editing wikipedia to POV-push political agendas, Palestinians also set up a case for a counter-group because the "next regional war will be media war." (see box above)(Lihaas (talk) 03:52, 1 September 2010 (UTC));

This seems to be more a topic for the Signpost than for ITN. --Tone 07:40, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Oppose Self ref, and hundreds of ethnic groups have their orgs' members on here posting nonsense all the time anyway, with much success too YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:23, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

The Bill

Since we would probably have posted Last of the Summer Wine the other day, had it not been the TFA, I think we should consider the final episode of The Bill which airs tonight (BST). It's the UK's longest-running police drama and one of the longest-running British TV series of all time and is something of a British icon. It's had crossovers with Dutch and German TV series and spawned about half a dozen spin offs. There was (predictably) a Facebook campaign to save it that got thousands of members, which shows that it has significant interest. It became something of a rite of passage for up-and-coming actors, so it's helped to launch the careers of, inter alia, Keira Knightley, Denise van Outen, James McAvoy and Paul O'Grady (The Guardian). The Beeb have a nice article about its cultural impact, as well. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:56, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I should mention that the article is a GA and is up to date and some material can be added to it once the final episode has aired. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:57, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

• Support Seems good. Diego Grez (talk) 18:05, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
• Support Seems good. I will be watching and taping the final episode and the documentary that follows shortly after, will add any information if it's needed. --5 albert square (talk) 19:05, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose: the rationale for adding LOTSW was based around it being the World's longest running sitcom: The Bill, although long lived, is not being claimed even to be British TV's longest running anything. Kevin McE (talk) 22:40, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

It was the UK's longest-running police drama. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

And by a similar argument Toy Story 3 is the #1 grossing animated movie. I think I have to oppose - its not the world's #1 so I don't think its notable enough I'm afraid. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:53, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose per Kevin McE. Was an icon in Britain and old folks in Australia but the end of the show really isn't significant. Also, it's about 20 years too late, IMO! We're getting a bit too lax on entertainment-related postings, in my view. --Mkativerata (talk) 22:44, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose per Kevin McE--Wikireader41 (talk) 23:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose per KM. Nergaal (talk) 00:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

oppose if it needs all the caveats to warrant a placement.. (ie- longest, uk police drama). (Lihaas (talk) 01:18, 1 September 2010 (UTC));reply

I'll also go with oppose here. It is not a slow news day, there are many more important items being discussed at the moment. --Tone 07:40, 1 September 2010 (UTC)reply

Operation Iraqi Freedom becomes Operation New Dawn

• In the Iraq War, Operation Iraqi Freedom ends and Operation New Dawn begins, marking the change in role of the United States Forces from combatants to advisors.

How did people forget this? MickMacNee (talk) 13:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

We've discussed this one two weeks ago when most of the troops have left the country. Support now. --Tone 13:24, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support - It will be a big presidential speech tonight as well. Whatever one thinks of all this, it's newsworthy. Jusdafax 14:35, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

• Do we have an updated article? Iraq War makes sense, but that article is massive. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:43, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

That's what she said. We could use Withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq or 2010 in Iraq but both need work. ~DC _{Let's Vent} 14:49, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support per Jusdafax--Wikireader41 (talk) 16:52, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Reluctant support given that Obama's speech is going to be on everyone's front page tonight. Courcelles 17:54, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support, but I'd like the blurb to provide more context. ~AH1^(TCU) 19:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

oppose not much is changing on the ground. theyve been out of the cities for awhile, one general says they could very well be in combat mode at some point again depending on the sitatuation, and the nominee seems to be his speech which is not much "well focus on the economy now that the war is over" -- deviant already.Lihaas (talk) 01:20, 1 September 2010 (UTC));reply

Support - but as I said last time this was nominated, can we make sure that the emphasis is placed on the end of Operation Iraqi Freedom and the end of combat operations rather than any future position of foreign forces in the country. I would slightly alter Mick's blurb to something like In the Iraq War, Operation Iraqi Freedom ends and Operation New Dawn begins, marking the end to foreign combat operations in the country --Daviessimo (talk) 07:35, 1 September 2010 (UTC)reply

This seems to be getting support, what about the blurb and the highlight article? --Tone 07:40, 1 September 2010 (UTC)reply

Support, per Jusdafax. Ks0stm ^(T•C•G) 14:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)reply

• Folks, you can support this 'til you're blue in the face, but without an update it can't go up. I'm happy there's plenty of support for this, but we have nothing that would qualify as an update to any of the three articles suggested so far. I will post it once it's updated, but I won't post it before even if a hundred people support it! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:14, 1 September 2010 (UTC)reply

Comment - would you say the Operation New Dawn update the the Iraq War article is good enough? I admit it is not a lot, but it could be considered a good start. Jusdafax 16:52, 1 September 2010 (UTC)reply

Not really. There's only a couple of sentences on this event. I'd like at least one good-sized paragraph. There should be plenty of material available. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:58, 1 September 2010 (UTC)reply

 Done Added a paragraph regarding the ceremony in Baghdad with comments from several U.S. officials including Vice President Joe Biden. Jusdafax 17:35, 1 September 2010 (UTC)reply

Looks good to me. Posted. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:19, 1 September 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose I vote to remove this item. Nothing has changed in reality - the drawdown was scheduled during the Bush administration. All that has actually happened is that Obama gave a speech. The rebranding is hardly newsworthy.μηδείς (talk) 00:58, 2 September 2010 (UTC)reply

• While I don't agree regarding the newsworthiness issue raised here, this editor raises an interesting point... has an ITN item ever been removed as an afterthought? If so, it means any controversial or close !votes here could be reversed. I don't think I like that concept because of the potential for non-stop drama. Jusdafax 01:24, 2 September 2010 (UTC)reply

last week when they started moving out of iraq we decided to wait till it became official. u r correct that nothing has changed but obama saying the war is over is a fairly big news. in history books this day will go down as the day the war ended not the day the military leaves. and yes ITN items have been removed before but you need a very heavy consensus for that, once its up consider it up for good in most cases. -- Ashish-g55 01:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)reply

So how do you know that this day will go down in history, Ashish? Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. No treaty was signed. No battle was fought. No last troop withdrew. No event not scheduled since Bush's presidency has occured. Only two things have actually happened. Obama gave his 500-somethingeth speech, and the name was changed. If the headline is not removed - and I maintain that it should be, then it should at least reflect the facts. The headline Operation Iraqi Freedom becomes Operation New Dawn is bizarrely metaphysical.

I propose the alternate ITN headline:

• In a speech praising former president Bush, Barack Obama renamed Operation Iraqi Freedom as Operation New Dawn. μηδείς (talk) 02:31, 2 September 2010 (UTC)reply

i dont think i said anything wrong. u dont need a crystal ball to say this is the day the war ended. when president of country attacking you gives a speech on tv that its over then its over. how is signing a piece of paper better? if they start any combat operations again (which they could even if they signed some "treaty") that would be big enough news to post again. -- Ashish-g55 03:40, 2 September 2010 (UTC)reply

So you believe that the United States has stopped attacking Iraq? I am glad you clarified that. But I do not share your faith in comments made on TV.

The war in Iraq ended? Thats ludicrous, there isnothing to say that obama is the barometer of history. He makes a comment so voila: The war ends..No more bombings and shootings and strife and political discord. A sudden move to make peace and move towards a new Iraq on Sept. 1, 2010...??? See 3 and more importantly even the warmongers: 4(Lihaas (talk) 04:27, 2 September 2010 (UTC));reply

wth i never said they left iraq in good condition. u can twist my words whichever way u like but doesnt change the fact its a big event. -- Ashish-g55 04:36, 2 September 2010 (UTC)reply

"Praising" former President Bush should not be the focus of this story if it ever gets posted. It would be better to focus on another part of the speech. ~AH1^(TCU) 15:34, 2 September 2010 (UTC)reply

Death of Laurent Fignon

• Twice winner of the Tour de France, and once of the Giro d'Italia, aged fifty: was still a commentator on French TV at the Tour last month. Kevin McE (talk) 12:48, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 13:09, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose. Admitted doper, had been retired for almost 20 years, death was not unexpected (he had cancer) and has no major international impact. --Smashville^talk 14:34, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support Yet another ignorant American idiot. "No major international impact"? He won the TdF twice and tons of people have failed dope tests, Carl Lewis, etc, the fact that this guy confessed doesn't mean he is less notable; doping tests can be gamed easily and most get caught in elaborate police raids, which tends to only happen in cycling YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 01:03, 1 September 2010 (UTC)reply

first of all WP:Civil. secondly the minimum you can win TdF is once, he won twice. There are 20 people who have done that. are we planning to post all their deaths if we post this one? oppose -- Ashish-g55 01:18, 1 September 2010 (UTC)reply

And if Carl Lewis died, I highly doubt we would post it. What's your point? What international impact did his death have? Also, isn't "ignorant...idiot" repetitive? --Smashville^talk 13:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose His death is of little present significance, even if his life was. I think that's what we should focus on for ITN deaths. --Mkativerata (talk) 01:08, 1 September 2010 (UTC)reply

oppose we dont go posting every death on ITN, there is a different place for death "recent deaths..."Lihaas (talk) 01:19, 1 September 2010 (UTC));reply

Oppose, ignorant American idiot solidarity. --Golbez (talk) 13:42, 1 September 2010 (UTC)reply

Comment - I'd like to suggest we all cease with the nationalistic slant of any kind here. It just leads to resentments which can turn into long-term grudges, which won't help the process of collaborative editing. Let's make a serious effort to understand each others' points of views, instead of indulging in name-calling. Thanks. Jusdafax 16:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose 2x winner isn't enough if 20 others have done that. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 20:59, 1 September 2010 (UTC)reply

Death of Francisco Varallo

Although this death wasn't unexpected (he was 100), Varallo was the last survivor of the inaugural world cup and until last year was the record goalscorer for Boca Juniors --Daviessimo (talk) 12:56, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

• Support. Historic landmark in a world sport. MickMacNee (talk) 13:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

  Weak support. Considering he was the last one... --Smashville^talk 14:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

  Support - The last survivor of the first World cup. There's a good blurb in there, and the story will go over well in countries that are big on the sport. Jusdafax 15:17, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

 Administrator note The update currently consists of "Varallo died on 30 August, 2010, in his hometown of La Plata at the age of 100" and is unreferenced. Ideally, we'd have a death section with a paragraph or 2 of information and reaction, but at the very least we need one decent sized, well sourced paragraph in the after retirement section. The rest of the article could also use some work, especially with sourcing. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:35, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support being the record goalscorer for the Boca Juniors is a big deal, I believe they are one of the top few clubs in Argentina - and it sounds like he held that record for a long time. Not to mention being the sole survivor of the inaugural world cup. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 17:38, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

• This has the support to go up, what it doesn't have is the update or the sourcing. Courcelles 17:55, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

I've added references to the article from the English language obituaries, but am struggling with the death section, mainly because 3/4 of the news articles are in Spanish and my grasp of the language is minimal. Argentina is a football mad country so I'm sure there are plenty of tributes out there... --Daviessimo (talk) 19:28, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

I've added some more sources, this looks ready to go. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:32, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Posted The article looks fine to go. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:53, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

BTW, please feel free to suggest a better blurb. There are a few ways this one could be done. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:59, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Edgar Valdez

BBC - I'm sure we have in the past posted the arrests (as opposed to convictions) of major criminals and I think this fella falls into this category. He is wanted in the US, but has been arrested in Mexico. Thoughts? --Daviessimo (talk) 08:30, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

oppose see the Pakistan cricket betting below.(Lihaas (talk) 09:13, 31 August 2010 (UTC));reply

But there is a precedent with known criminals to post the arrest, rather than conviction, particularly when there is an arrest warrant or extradition papers have been filed --Daviessimo (talk) 09:28, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

HP pays U.S. $55m

• "Hewlett-Packard has agreed to pay the United States to settle allegations of fraud"

Business stories don't usually make it, but considering HP is a tech company it could be of interest to our tech-savvy readers. ~DC _{Let's Vent} 03:48, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support, an underrepresented topic and the company seems to be very large and to have an international presence. No link? Here is The Sydney Morning Herald. --candle•wicke 05:02, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

oppose goldman was fined, there are countless companies fined/failed and they have no reason to go up. Whatr about M&A? much bigger if you need corporate ITN. Potash for some $20billion, yesterday 3M's Cogent for $1billion..(Lihaas (talk) 06:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC));reply

Oppose - I don't see any significance. - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 07:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support - Goldman or Citibank you expect. For me this is unusual due to the perception, rightly or wrongly, that HP was that rarity, an honest and user friendly corporation. I think this story will prove of interest worldwide; many of us are using HP gear. Jusdafax 07:24, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Satyam Corp. -- who would have expected such widespread fraud?talk) 06:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose. Can't even find a mention of it in the HP article. Maybe I'm missing it. --Smashville^talk 15:27, 2 September 2010 (UTC)reply

Pakistan match-fixing allegations

Surprised no one has brought this but its all over the international news, even the American (CNN) has it (and thats saying something for cricket). To paraphrase the story: News of the World published an article alleging they had paid 4 Pakistani cricketers and there were apparently 3 made-to-order no-balls as per the what was "paid" for. Then there was an arrest and an investigation by british police of the cricketers, the investigation was to spread to some 82 tests including a supposedly famous victory by Australia against Pakistan (which has brought other allegations and reaction (including that they had been approached) and reaction from across Pakistani politics).

Dont know where the article is, but is this certainly big news like the match-fixing about a decade ago that finished the careers of Hansie Cronje and MOhammed Azharuddin, amongst others (Ajay Jadeja, etc)(Lihaas (talk) 03:30, 31 August 2010 (UTC));reply

• This could be a major story, if the allegations prove true. The precedent for ITN is to hold-off on investigations/trials until a conclusion is reached. ~DC _{Let's Vent} 03:37, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply
• Support. Pakistani cricket team in England in 2010 has info. MickMacNee (talk) 03:44, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

wait till something is actually proven or some real punishment given. by the looks of it that may not take too long. -- Ashish-g55 04:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

wait - Agree that we should until more is known. I'm fairly certain that the NotW evidence is inadmissible in court because it is hidden camera footage. I personally would see what the ICC do. If they hand life bans to any players or ban Pakistan from international test cricket for a period then I think that will be the big story... --Daviessimo (talk) 08:25, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

• Support after punishment is announced assuming they are guilty of course. I'd prefer a link to spot-fixing (which I created) rather than match fixing as the allegations relate only to no balls AFAIK  Francium12  16:01, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

you can update the Pak-eng test page to reflect this if you feel so Lihaas (talk) 01:21, 1 September 2010 (UTC));reply

• Support per above --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 11:53, 4 September 2010 (UTC)reply

2010 Bratislava shootings

- 6 deaths 8 deaths, 19 injured after a shooting in the capital of Slovakia. - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 10:31, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support seems significant - though the article needs significant improvement. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 10:34, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support - but wait until it is clear what was going on. --Tone 10:38, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Probably someone will start a AFD discussion quickly.- Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 10:47, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Conditionally it sounds reasonable as per the various shooting in Germany/Finland. but it needs more info as to what happened/why/response, etc.

Also, someone should attack the relevant WikiProjects to the talk pages {{Disaster management}} as well as Slovakia, etc.(Lihaas (talk) 10:55, 30 August 2010 (UTC));reply

 Done -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 11:12, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Comment this looks ready to post. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 17:53, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

• Oppose I don't this significance here at all. ~DC _{Let's Vent} 18:09, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Hey? Where are you from? In Europe for example the last similar event occurred in Dec 2009 in Finland. In US that happens two or three per week. - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 19:02, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

No they don't. ~DC _{Let's Vent} 19:06, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Huh? This is a tragic and unusual event for a quite country like Slovakia. Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 19:12, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Take a look at 5. Americans 41? - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 19:17, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

The Connecticut mass shooting was the biggest one in the U.S. this year and the biggest in Connecticut in 20 years. The common refrain from non-Americans during the vote on the Connecticut shooting that that kind of thing is an everyday occurrence in America is another example of people making ITN votes without knowing what they're talking about, and I'm sorry if that ticks people off to hear, but it's unarguable. Oh, and by the way, there was a 12-death shooting spree in England in June. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

When, out of interest, was the last comparable event in Slovakia? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:48, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

According to the Telegraph "Slovakia...experienced some shooting incidents involving criminal gangs in the 1990s, but has had no large-scale shootings in recent years." I know it's vague but it's the best I could find. ~DC _{Let's Vent} 23:07, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Outside the US these things happen far more rarely. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:57, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

I'm neutral. These things are a lot rarer in Europe than they are in the US and the article is well-developed, but 6 deaths isn't that many and this event doesn't seem to have had much impact on anything—it's just a madman shooting some people. If some controversy is generated from this, if it's part of some ongoing political struggle or if something else come to light that makes it more than just a madman with a gun, I might support. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:26, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

8 deaths is the death toll. - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 19:34, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

comment is there anything special about this shooting other than country? The ratio of nutjobs to normal people maybe slightly higher in US but i dont think thats a good enough argument to put this on unless something special took place. For ex. hostage situation in the bus shootout -- Ashish-g55 21:14, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Early indications suggest it was unprovoked, just a tosser with some guns in the streets of Bratislava. He did kill a family of gypsies, but the significance of that (possible attempt at genocide?) is unclear and likely will remain so for long enough to make this stale.  f o x  22:33, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support including because it is (i) unusual for the continent and can't recall anything similar ever having occurred in Slovakia, (ii) the event took place in more than one location and it was necessary to warn people to stay indoors, (iii) perhaps Bratislava being the country's capital and largest city is important as well, perhaps not (iv) article is developed. Those reasons hopefully avoid any references to the United States or that a similar rare and fatal incident in the United Kingdom was posted recently. --candle•wicke 22:28, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

• Support with the opinion that we should have had the Connecticut shooting as well. Contrary to what you might think, shootings of such magnitude do not happen all the time in America and (you know what comes next) it's absurd that given two pretty much identical events, we would run the one from a country where less than 0.5% of our readership comes from and not the one from where most of our readership resides. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply
• Oppose on the sole criterion that the sourcing is a disaster--most of the attacks and all of the perpetrator and victims sections are unreferenced, and I don't have time to find stuff ATM. If that's addressed, than I would support this. C628 (talk) 22:58, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply
• Oppose Just another article from our WP:NOTNEWS' fan Eugen Simion. No historical significance. Take these articles to Wikinews! Diego Grez (talk) 00:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

A report on al jazeera just showed the context of the attack with the death of an unusually high number of Roma, which goes in hand with the general antiziganist feeling in Europe right now, especially in the light of France's expulsiosn and general sentiment in Italy.

Ill in fact turn my vote into a strong support (when and if the article discusses all this) Lihaas (talk) 10:55, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

I could yet bring myself to support this, but the article isn't up to scratch. If the whole thing were properly sourced, it could sway me. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:05, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

The article has a good shape. Somebody will have to post the deadliest civilian attack in the history of modern Slovakia. Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 10:25, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support - deadliest attack since Slovakian independence certainly seems significant in my opinion --Daviessimo (talk) 10:32, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

• Could someone get rid of the bare URL's in the citations? It can't hit the main page like that. Courcelles 17:56, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

   Done Diego Grez (talk) 18:03, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Comment there are now a couple of totally unreferenced sections. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:08, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

The IP seems to keep adding all these unreferenced bits. Either fact them and await or remove. It should be ready for posting soon enough.Lihaas (talk) 10:55, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

 Administrator noteThere are several massive chunks of totally unsourced information. I can't put an article on the MP like that. They need to be sourced or removed, but removing them doesn't leave us with much about the aftermath or reaction, which I would expect to see in an article on an incident more than 36 hours ago. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)reply

The IP doesn't have to add sources - someone else could do that ;) - I'd have done it if it wasn't bedtime when I posted here that it needed doing. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 06:51, 1 September 2010 (UTC)reply

Comment I've removed the media section and added sources for the rest of the article, it should now be ready to post. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 20:02, 1 September 2010 (UTC)reply

• Posted. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:53, 1 September 2010 (UTC)reply

Hurricane Earl

(Fifth update, September 2) President Obama has declared an emergency exists in North Carolina and has asked federal authorities to assist in the area. This now Category four hurricane first impacted the northern Leeward Islands and islands north and is currently moving in on the United States Atlantic coast. Thankfully Earl has not done a great deal of major damage but several U.S. states are now in a declared state of emergency, with evacuations underway and headlines in papers for days. I still feel this is a good candidate, with an excellent and currently up-to-date article already written and being maintained (click on the title/Wiki-link.)

oppose huricanes are not ITN-worthy just for making landfall. If it is catastrophic then it can be renominated, but it would be WP:Crystal ball to assume its importance before the actions itself.Lihaas (talk) 09:56, 30 August 2010 (UTC))reply

I agree, we do not use ITN for alerts, other websites do that. Wait until the landfall and then we'll see. Hurricanes otherwise often get to ITN because of the damage they cause. --Tone 10:40, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oh, I don't know about this. There are some reports it could hit lower parts of the United States (probably exaggeration by the media, however) or bits of the Caribbean - I may support if it hits somewhere big, but the the Leeward Islands, probably not. Oppose -  f o x  21:56, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

• Support, since parts of the Northeast Megalopolis is now under the track forecast cone, a.k.a. the cone of doom.6 Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 03:09, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply
• Support only after landfall (which is expected around 0000 UTC Friday (Thursday night local time)). ~DC _{Let's Vent} 04:58, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply
• Oppose. Not yet noteworthy. Agree with Lihaas that if it becomes a disaster, then it is noteworthy (God forbid). Nightw 07:42, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply
• Support Seems to be getting a lot of media attention. YE ^{Tropical Cyclone} 14:01, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply
• Conditional support upon entry into the Gulf Stream or if it accumulates a significant death toll. ~AH1^(TCU) 19:14, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply
• Support This one could rapidly wind up and the forecast track doesn't look good either. HurricaneSpin Talk 23:02, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply
• Support Already wreaked havoc in the Caribbean, could do some more damage. Syntheticalconnections (talk)(my contribs) 01:00, 1 September 2010 (UTC)reply

support iff the blurb is about caribbean damage and not a hurricane forecast for US. this is not weather network. when it does damage in US we can post that. none of this crap where the blurb was focused on it moving towards US with a mention of deaths elsewhere at the end. -- Ashish-g55 02:44, 1 September 2010 (UTC)reply

• Oppose unless majordamage/multiple deaths occur. Nergaal (talk) 04:05, 1 September 2010 (UTC)reply
• Support as nominator. We are reaching the point where millions of people's lives are being disrupted, and the story is dominating the news cycle in the USA, and getting significant play elsewhere. Not to have this story leading off ITN on the Main page today is just wrong, in my opinion. Casualities, schmasualites. Post the story already. Jusdafax 09:40, 2 September 2010 (UTC)reply

Ok, now it got bad enough (too bad...). Ready to post. Please, suggest a good blurb. --Tone 10:12, 2 September 2010 (UTC)reply

• Hurricane Earl, a major Category four hurricane that has already battered the northern Leeward Islands, impacts the East Coast of the United States triggering storm warnings from U.S. officials including President Obama and evacuations from North Carolina northward.

This is a slight rewording of the last blurb version, I'm using the word "impacts" because that is true now and will stay fresh. May have to update further as we go, obviously.) Jusdafax 10:26, 2 September 2010 (UTC)reply

"Battered"? Bit tabloid-y. Still against this really, unless things get slow (only really mildly against it, would support if it actually hit somewhere identifiable (i.e. NC))  f o x  10:34, 2 September 2010 (UTC)reply

According to the Hurricane Earl article, 180,000 people were left without electric power in the islands, so I think "battered" is not inaccurate. Consensus achieved, blurb proposed. Jusdafax 10:50, 2 September 2010 (UTC)reply

Could this be made shorter and without mentioning the US officials and concentrate on the effects? --Tone 11:02, 2 September 2010 (UTC)reply

• Hurricane Earl, a major Category four hurricane that has already battered the northern Leeward Islands, impacts the East Coast of the United States with mandatory evacuations of 30,000 people in North Carolina.

Very well. Up it goes. --Tone 12:07, 2 September 2010 (UTC)reply

Thanks. Say, could we include the photo for the article? I guess that makes the blub...

• Hurricane Earl (pictured), a major Category four hurricane that has already battered the northern Leeward Islands, impacts the East Coast of the United States with mandatory evacuations of 30,000 people in North Carolina.

Thanks for posting. Should we include another blurb when the hurricane's impacts are felt? ~AH1^(TCU) 15:40, 2 September 2010 (UTC)reply

We probably should've just waited for that. Nightw 15:49, 2 September 2010 (UTC)reply

• The blurb on the main page now is humongous. It should probably be trimmed by 1/3. Nergaal (talk) 18:13, 2 September 2010 (UTC)reply

How about:

• Thirty thousand people in North Carolina, United States, are evacuated ahead of Category 3 Hurricane Earl (pictured).

Boltysh crater

According to the BBC, the above may have lead to the extinction of dinosaurs 65 millions years ago. ~DC _{Let's Vent} 03:48, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

I'm certainly inclined to support, subject to any sciency types telling us that it's all a hoax or insignificant or suchlike.--Mkativerata (talk) 03:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

The reporting is somewhat misleading. Boltysh, at 24 km in scale, is unlikely to cause planetary devastation. We only have to look back ~5 Myr to find a crater bigger than that. By contrast, the the Chicxulub Crater is 170 km in diameter and is the largest known event in more than a billion years. In rough numbers, the Chicxulub impactor would have been ~350 times more massive than the Boltysh one. The significance of Boltysh is whether or not it suggests some sort of impact swarm at the time of Chicxulub. It was already known that Bolytsh was of the same age as Chicxulub to within a few hundred thousand years, so the suggestion of a swarm is not actually new. The new research is suggesting that these events are separated by only a few thousand years (and that Chicxulub is definitively more recent by those few thousand years, so not simultaneous). Scientifically, this is interesting, but I'm not sure the "new" part of this news (i.e. tighter age constraints) is really all that impressive for ITN. Dragons flight (talk) 04:19, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

oppose (though weakly) as it a vague report that doesnt seem affirmed or supported widely, unless we are to believe the community has lent it some solid credence.Lihaas (talk) 09:54, 30 August 2010 (UTC));reply

Support upon verification, given that it is one of the major impacts near or at the K-T boundary and could indicate a cometary break-up that led to multiple collisions either over a long period or a much shorter period. ~AH1^(TCU) 19:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Ken Wyatt

Elected to the Australian House of Representatives. Has received racist taunts and hate mail.

BBC - "the first indigenous person to do so in the country's history".

The Age - "Mr Wyatt's Aboriginal background attracted significant media attention during the campaign".

The Voice of Russia - "Australia has officially elected its first Aborigine to the House of Representatives, RIA-Nososti reports".

Radio Netherlands - "An Aboriginal man has been elected to Australia's House of Representatives, becoming the first indigenous MP in the country's history".

Toronto Sun - "Ken Wyatt won a seat in Australia's House of Representatives Sunday, becoming the first Aboriginal to do so in the country's history".

Press TV - "An Aboriginal man has been elected to Australia's House of Representatives, pledging an all-out battle against racism in the pacific nation".

The Daily Telegraph - "An Aboriginal Australian has been elected to the country’s parliament for the first time".

The Independent - "a narrow victory".

It's a piece of history, reported internationally and there seems to have been a shortage of ITNs recently. --candle•wicke 03:33, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose Barack Obama gets the same stuff. That doesn't make ITN ~DC _{Let's Vent} 03:36, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose Not that significant, especially as Australia has had Indigenous Senators before (Aden Ridgeway; Neville Bonner).--Mkativerata (talk) 03:38, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

oppose is the story the fact that he got elected or that he received all the hate mail? If the former then per Mkativerata i would still oppose it, and if the latter the object of hate mail is not noteworthy of itself.Lihaas (talk) 09:53, 30 August 2010 (UTC));reply

Oppose. This isn't even current. He was elected 10 days ago. --Smashville^talk 18:28, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose The third Aborigine in Federal parliament and it's not as though he has more power or a higher post than the two before him YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 01:54, 31 August 2010 (UTC)reply

62nd Primetime Emmy Awards

Not sure why this isn't WP:ITNR, but it probably should be (hell, the BAFTA Awards aren't either). Not sure what the blurb would be, but it's something to consider, especially since 6 of the 8 stories on ITN now are older than 4 days. ~DC _{Let's Vent} 02:08, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

As I understand it, the Emmies are domestic (eg British shows wouldn't be considered for the main awards). Perhaps that's why they're not on ITN/R. Anyway, subject to correction by any entertainment/TV types, I'm inclined to oppose.--Mkativerata (talk) 03:54, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

It is unclear why 62nd Primetime Emmy Awards and BAFTA Awards are more important than the many other similar events. --candle•wicke 04:09, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

In regards to the BAFTAs, we post the Oscars already. ~DC _{Let's Vent} 04:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Emmys are not listed under Wikipedia:In the news/Recurring items. Lampman (talk) 05:49, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

So...? –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 05:59, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

So the Emmys are not listed under Wikipedia:In the news/Recurring items; I thought that might be a factor relevant to the discussion. Lampman (talk) 15:14, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

oppose per Lampman. Unless it was to be added there through some consensus.(Lihaas (talk) 09:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC));reply

That's illogical. Do you even know what WP:ITNR is for? –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 10:03, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

A guide? as opposed to hard-and-fast rules? "So..."

Isnt note-worthy on its own. Unless one is to add film/tv awards from everywhere.Lihaas (talk) 09:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

So now you're no longer citing WP:ITNR? That should be better. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 10:57, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose Too US-centric, no importance in the rest of the world, or really in the States, either, where the Oscars are the big deal. Courcelles 10:22, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

For something as unimportant as this, it sure is featured prominently in the BBC's news website and the Sydney Morning Herald... –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 11:06, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support was on the BBC this morning so has international interest - seems more interesting than most of the other stuff up for inclusion. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 11:07, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

ok i dont think international interest can be denied since these shows are not just watched in US. yes they dont give awards to british shows or some other country but then we should add those not prevent emmy's from going up. if others feel like there are some that are equally famous/important please suggest. currently TV shows dont really make it to ITN for anything. so support iff its added to ITNR at same time. cant have this debate every damn year -- Ashish-g55 13:10, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support, precedence notwithstanding. When taking into account mitigating circumstances such as a slow news season, and recent complaints about the negativity of WP:ITN as of late, this seems like a sufficient candidate to add some variety. Plus, as pointed out above, the story has been covered in news sources outside of the United States. I'm not saying this is necessarily comparable to Eurovision, but North America doesn't really have an equivalent to that short of the Emmys.--WaltCip (talk) 13:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Making good TV is expensive so not that many countries make TV which is regularly exported internationally. Other than the US the other country which makes a decent amount of high quality English language TV is the UK - so the BAFTA's would be appropriate. The US produces far more TV that is watched internationally than the UK though.

I'd imagine that the Indians also do and that appropriate awards for them - and definitely for Bollywood movies - should be on ITN/R too. Japanese anime awards could possibly also be worthy of posting - if the articles are up to it. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 13:40, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

It depends on the blurb. What would we put on ITN? Just the fact that the ceremony took place is not enough. Is there a single winner that we could highlight? --Tone 13:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

we could do the two main awards. Modern Family for comedy and Mad Men for Drama. -- Ashish-g55 13:58, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Maybe something like the following for the blurb: Mad Men wins the drama prize and Modern Family wins the comedy prize at the 62nd Primetime Emmy Awards - I'm not a big fan of the 'prize' bit though. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 16:49, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

How about "Mad Men wins for Outstanding Drama Series and Modern Family wins for Outstand Comedy..." ~DC _{Let's Vent} 18:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Much better. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:56, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

• I'm going to post this, because the timer is red and this has a stronger consensus at the minute than the shooting, which is the only other candidate that could be considered ready for posting. Discussion on whether it should be added to ITN/R can take place on WT:ITN. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:32, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Can we switch it to my wording. Drama and comedy prize sound awkward. ~DC _{Let's Vent} 21:41, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Post-posting support - highly recommend adding this (and probably the BAFTAs) to ITNR.  f o x  22:00, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

@ DC I've commented on WP:ERRORS about the wording. @ Fox, I've started an WP:ITN/R thread for that. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:16, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Toy Story 3

• Toy Story 3 becomes the first animation movie to gross over $1 billion.

Since very few updates have been posted recently. Nergaal (talk) 18:37, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose Trivial, unless is breaks Avatar's record, it doesn't have the significance for the main page. Courcelles 19:32, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose until/if it is the highest grossing film ever. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 19:33, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose posting anything that's the highest-grossing in some genre that conveniently omits some other film that was the highest-grossing. We should limit the ITN slot to the highest-grossing film. Full stop. In other words, when something comes along and beats Avatar's record, I'll support, but not before. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:31, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose for the exact same reason as last time. Avatar was mostly animated...most movies these days involve CGI animation...so...where's the cut off? --Smashville^talk 15:01, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose per above. Diego Grez (talk) 17:27, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Mt Sinabung

• Thousands flee as Mount Sinabung erupts after 400 years.(BBC), (NPR)--Wikireader41 (talk) 08:17, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support - Having just read this on Reuters. I'll add a bit to the article. Jusdafax 08:47, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support clearly interesting and important, and the timer is now red. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 08:50, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support, I'd just like to see some more update as the article has just two paragraphs at the moment. --Tone 08:56, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

 Done Included a casualty, poor soul. Jusdafax 09:55, 29 August 2010 (UTC) Suggested blurb:reply

• Mount Sinabung on the Indonesian island of Sumatra produced its first volcanic eruption in over 400 years, causing over 12,000 residents to flee and killing one.

Thank you, posting. --Tone 10:02, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

What about the photo in the article? Looks good, even if it isn't of eruptive activity. If you use it you will have to add (pictured) of course. But I'm sick of that bus and we need a new photo. Also the tense is wrong in my blurb, the correct form is produces - thanks. Jusdafax 10:13, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Photo added, tense has been changed. I haven't spotted that before, thanks for mentioning. --Tone 10:15, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

One other thing and I hate to bring this up. Images are an area I'm not real strong in. I just noticed the photo has a 'deprecated!' tag on it. I have no idea what that means, but I thought I'd best bring it up now that I see it. Jusdafax 10:22, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Why was this added after only some 2 hours of debate (not saying this was wrong per se), but the SOlomon Islands ITN is lying ignored DESPITE a majority vote to support its addition?(Lihaas (talk) 11:24, 29 August 2010 (UTC));reply

Last of the Summer Wine

• Frankly, I can't stand the programme, and will not be at all disappointed if it does not make ITN, but at the beginning of the current, last ever series of the world's longest running sitcom (insert unpopular political party or rival sports team of your choice here as an alternative) it was proposed that this go up, and the consensus was to wait until the broadcast of the final episode, which is tonight. Kevin McE (talk) 08:32, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

So that the level of consensus then may be considered, June's discussion went thus:

The BBC cancel Last of the Summer Wine, the longest-running sitcom in Britain and the world. (BBC)

I know there are more important events going on here, but I thought I would just mention this. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 17:45, 2 June 2010 (UTC)reply

*I'm sorry, June, I could get behind this in a slow news week... but this isn't a slow news week. Getting it ran as today's FA on the day the finale screens would be my suggestion. Courcelles (talk) 18:08, 2 June 2010 (UTC)reply

*It's fine. Like you said, if it was a slow news week... - JuneGloom07 Talk? 18:20, 2 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose: I agree with Courcelles. It is not really a big news story. ISD (talk) 18:12, 2 June 2010 (UTC)reply

*Support IF it is indeed the longest running sitcom in the world, a fact on which I have some doubts. MickMacNee (talk) 20:16, 2 June 2010 (UTC)reply

*I don't know but I have been able to find sources saying it is.

**The Press Association - "Last Of The Summer Wine has now run to more than 30 series and is the world's longest-running sitcom".

**RTÉ - "The BBC has announced that its golden years comedy series 'Last of the Summer Wine', the world's longest-running TV sitcom, is to end".

Support. Guiding Light was posted. I know little about either of them. --candle•wicke 21:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Leaning towards oppose. And as I see, what I wanted to say (maybe, if it was a slow news week) has already been presented. --Tone 21:20, 2 June 2010 (UTC)reply

• Oppose. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Per the article, the cancellation of the show was merely announced. The show is supposed to cease airing AFTER the current season (which has not begun) concludes. And we've seen in the past where networks have changed their minds about cancellations. Until the last episode runs, there is no reason to post this. However, when the last episode runs and the show has actually reached its conclusion, I will support. --Smashville^talk 21:42, 2 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose, at least until the final episode airs. Also, I hadn't realised it was still running, thought it ended years ago! Modest Genius ^talk 14:02, 3 June 2010 (UTC)reply

As suggested back then, it is TFA today. Kevin McE (talk) 09:16, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support seems pretty notable as well. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 08:51, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support, after all, a consensus has been reached before and the article is a FA. But we should wait until it airs, there is also no update in the article yet (just says it will end this summer). --Tone 08:56, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

I missed the fact that it is TFA. --Tone 09:49, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

oppose even if its the longest running show (which would give it credence akin to a long running play taken off stage), its only ITN-worthy when it ends (ie- the final episode airs) not if the season just started.(Lihaas (talk) 11:08, 29 August 2010 (UTC));reply

Uh, the last episode screens today. The discussion above was for context, and dates back to June (when the final series started. TFOWR 11:12, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Why was this added in only 2 hours of discussion (note that this was a bad move, per se), but the Solomon Islands election which does have more support than opposition still is neglected? Meant to add to the volcano debate above.Lihaas (talk) 11:09, 29 August 2010 (UTC));reply

Uh (again!) it's not been added. It's today's featured article, and I doubt it'll get posted to ITN. TFOWR 11:12, 29 August 2010 (UTC) Heh! Makes sense. Philip's election as PM now on ITN anyway (cheers, Tone!) TFOWR 11:36, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Yeah that would be redundant to the max. Jusdafax 11:18, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

I am actually willing to post the Solomon islands when I get one more support, see below. --Tone 11:25, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

I would support this inclusion if it wasnt for the FA on the main page covering it. Its very sad its the final episode (ill have to tune in for the first time in years), and then on tuesday the end of The Bill. Sigh =( BritishWatcher (talk) 11:41, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose because (and only because) it's the TFA. The purpose of ITN is to draw attention to articles updated to reflect some sort of current event. This meets all the criteria, but it's being drawn attention to by it's slot on TFA. If we don't feature D-Day or the Hiroshima bombing on two sections of the Main Page at the same time, we shouldn't do so with this. Had it not been TFA today, though, I would have supported without hesitation. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:23, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose ^this. Having it twice is a bit much.  f o x  16:30, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

800 metres world record

David Lekuta Rudisha lowers his own 800 metres world record to 1:41.01 seconds. —bender235 (talk) 01:01, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

• Oppose. I think we should only post records that have (a) stood for an unusually long period of time; or (b) are a significant historical milestone. As this guy is merely breaking his own record of a couple of weeks ago, we shouldn't post it. Maybe if he breaks 1:40 because that would be considered a significant milestone in track history.--Mkativerata (talk) 01:12, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Agreed. He broke the record. Good for him. He broke his own record a few days later. Meh. As Mkativerata says, though, a case could be made for posting a new record if it breaks 1:40. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:27, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

This would be a new record though..In that case ill weak support it.(Lihaas (talk) 09:58, 30 August 2010 (UTC));reply

OK, so what if he breaks his own record again tomorrow or next week? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:31, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 10:15, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

There are so many world records that we can't list them all. For example in swimming, in the last years, several have been set at every championship. The 800m record stood for more than 10 years - and now it is the same athlete who improved it. Conditional support if he gets below 1:40, I agree. --Tone 10:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose. Not notable event. Diego Grez (talk) 17:27, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply

• Strong support if he breaks the record three times in a row in a short period of time (i.e. within a few months). If a record stood for 10 years then a guy comes and breaks it three times in a row in a short period that is really notable. Nergaal (talk) 00:44, 1 September 2010 (UTC)reply

iran-Lebanon arms cooperations

Per the message in the box above, Iran answers Lebanon call to help fund its following the American threats to cut off funds on fears that they would reach Hezbollah following a clash on the southern border earlier. In light of the tensions mounting and threats of war between Iran and israel (and Syria) this is another step in the lead to a possible wider conflict. It also further stregnthens Iran's ties to the country beyond Hezbollah. (where the opposition is growing in both potency and popularity it seems, its not just a "marginalised" Shia Lebanese thing anymore) Its also somewhat akin to the Colombia-Venezuela flare up we posted a few weeks ago.

btw- i hope this is a good explanation of events/relevants(Lihaas (talk) 03:18, 29 August 2010 (UTC));reply

Marc Ravalomanana sentencing

Considering a slow news week, i think this might warrant an ITN if the article is well covered. A former head of state sentenced to life in prison is not something that happens everyday or everywhere. Not akin to international coverage that Omar Bashir got, but still.(Lihaas (talk) 01:22, 29 August 2010 (UTC));reply

A WP article and a source would be nice. We can't read your mind. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:47, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Its in the box above.Lihaas (talk) 01:22, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

• Support when updated. Marc Ravalomanana would be the article. (BBC), (AFP)--Wikireader41 (talk) 01:57, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

 DoneLihaas (talk) 01:22, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose since nothing much has happened. He was sentenced last February as well and the court has handed down another token sentence, but he's currently in exile, so the chances of him actually serving his sentence in the near future are slim. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:14, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

2010 Damghan earthquake

A 5.7 earthquake hits Iran killing 3, injuring dozens. - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 08:10, 28 August 2010 (UTC)reply

• Oppose Numbers are too small; similar ones occur too frequently. Spencer^T♦C 15:36, 28 August 2010 (UTC)reply
• Oppose, probably a merge to 2010 earthquakes would be relevant in this case. --Tone 16:00, 28 August 2010 (UTC)reply
• Strong Oppose Eugen Simion, I strongly suggest you to submit these articles to Wikinews, the free news source, not Wikipedia. That earthquake has not provoked mayor damage, and has no historical significance (I'm sure Iran has had stronger earthquakes). So, no. Diego Grez (talk) 02:16, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose. Barely noticeable. These kinds of quakes occur every day all over the world and 5.7 isn't that strong. I'll AfD the article in the morning if nobody beats me to it. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:21, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

I just did ;) Diego Grez (talk) 02:22, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

New Kenyan Constitution

(BBC) After a twenty year debate, a new constitution is adopted. I suppose the article is Proposed Constitution of Kenya, 2010, but that needs to be moved and updated etc etc. —  Cargoking  talk  10:28, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

conditional support was the referendum posted on ITN. if not, one can include it in the blurb, if so then i oppose this second addition.(Lihaas (talk) 11:46, 27 August 2010 (UTC));reply

I seemed to remember the vote going up, but noticed the article was never tagged, so I'm not so sure now. Courcelles 16:46, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Should have trusted myself, seems I reworded the item myself! A different article than I was thinking was tagged, but that's not enough to put this back up a mere 3 weeks later. Courcelles 16:48, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

The article is largely a bulleted list right now, and I don't think this is the kind of subject matter we can assume the community will improve to a great extent. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:52, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Aijalon Gomes released

• "Former President of the United States Jimmy Carter secures the release of American Aijalon Gomes from North Korea."

Major story here in America, also getting coverage in Britain BBC Sky, Canada Vancouver Sun, Middle-east al-jazeera, South Korea Chosun Ilbo, China Xinhua. ~DC _{Let's Vent} 04:20, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

oppose cant do this every time some american gets released. ie- those 2 in N. Korea last time. What about the the spaniards in Mauritania? or the the death of the frenchman following a french raid in the Sahel (far more notable in the precedence set through the course of actions)(Lihaas (talk) 05:08, 27 August 2010 (UTC));reply

Oppose Stubborn missionaries are always disobeying the law and entering and preaching illegally. Too bad. They know the law of the country, we can't have these pointless sob stories and then for death row drug traffickers as well. No YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 05:19, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose He broke the law, he got arrested and, tried, convicted, and put in jail. Honestly, folks, where's the story? That Pyongyang can be swayed by ex-Presidents to release criminals is curious, but not really significant. Courcelles 11:18, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose per courcelles--Wikireader41 (talk) 12:16, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

I don't think the article is good enough to link to from ITN, but I wish people wouldn't let their personal opinions about stories influence their votes. Our decisions should be based on ITN criteria, not what we think about a guy. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:51, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

and I would argue as humans it is impossible for editors (or anybody else) to completely dissociate their actions from how they perceive the incident. this happens both at conscious and subconscious levels, is not under voluntary control and this is what makes us human. if we want total objectivity then perhaps we should have a computer program select the items but that too will be affected by the personality of the programmer. having said that I was surprised by unanimous opposition to this. apparently being an American and a proselytizer will not get you !votes on ITN.--Wikireader41 (talk) 02:03, 28 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oldest Arrowheads found

BBC. 64000 year old arrows found. "Closer inspection of the ancient weapons revealed remnants of blood and bone that provided clues about how they were used." "The discovery pushes back the development of 'bow and arrow technology' by at least 20,000 years." The old flute turned out to be most supported item ever. Now we found an arrow. -- Ashish-g55 20:26, 26 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support seems significant. What's the article? -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 20:31, 26 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support on the condition that an article or expanded section of one can be created or already exists. Jusdafax 21:24, 26 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support provided an adequate update / article can be created--Wikireader41 (talk) 02:32, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

updated Arrowhead with whatever info i could get out of the article. I dont have access to actual research paper but like the flute only so much can be added since its ancient discovery. -- Ashish-g55 03:49, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

per another nomination below, a paragraph withina subsection doesnt warrant space for ITN, is there more? perhaps as to its importance/precedence in the field of archaeology?

weak oppose in the interim, can be easily made to change my vote ;)(Lihaas (talk) 05:52, 27 August 2010 (UTC));reply

yes I would agree we need more substatntial update otherwise what happened to Chinese traffic jam may happen here too.--Wikireader41 (talk) 06:10, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

So, what's the situation with this one? We have a paragraph of update, the found has been published in a journal, there are references... Ready to post? --Tone 16:44, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Looks that way to me, just need a blurb. Courcelles 16:49, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Archeologists excavate arrowheads in Sibudu Cave, South Africa, indicating the use of bow and arrow 64,000 years ago. Something like that? -- Ashish-g55 18:54, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

• Timer's red, so posting.  f o x  23:43, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

please try and follow the ITN adding procedure. the clock needs to be reset, credits... etc. dont care too much but its nice to see those -- Ashish-g55 01:46, 28 August 2010 (UTC)reply

I was just going to say, can someone reset the clock because its not been 24 hours.Lihaas (talk) 05:52, 27 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.176.43 (talk) reply

Timer reset, roughly. I think it's actually an hour too fast, but close enough and no longer red. Courcelles 08:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)reply

I actually edit-conflicted with Courcelles. My bad.  f o x  08:54, 28 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oh, as for the credits, I had to sleep. ;) I'll get that the now.  f o x  08:57, 28 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Khimki Forest

"Amid protests, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev suspends the construction a highway project that could have endagered the Khimki Forest."10 Article has been updated. Offliner (talk) 17:51, 26 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support. A significant environmental story that has gone to the top excecutive in power. ~AH1^(TCU) 17:56, 26 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 19:00, 26 August 2010 (UTC)reply

weak oppose 1. international coverage? havent seen this in prominence, 2. isnt this a continuation of forest fires in the country already posted?(Lihaas (talk) 23:55, 26 August 2010 (UTC));reply

Oppose/Conditional support - The term suspension implies that construction is liable to be reinitiated at any time. And at the very least, there's nothing within the blurb that suggests the construction was halted as a result of the protests. Perhaps change the wording to reflect this?--WaltCip (talk) 07:15, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

(ec) Support - I've been looking around and see this story gaining attention. I have added a sourced paragraph to the WP article noting the U2 frontman Bono took a stand against the highway route through the forest at a concert in front of 60,000 fans; the project was suspended by the Russian chief-of-state the next day. This ups the ante on the story considerably. The article isn't perfect but it's close to decent, I'd say. Good international story with broad appeal for ITN, in my view. Jusdafax 07:21, 27 August 2010 (UTC) Proposed blurb:reply

• Amid protests including an appeal by rock star Bono of the band U2, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev suspends highway construction through the Khimki Forest greenbelt outside of Moscow. Jusdafax 07:28, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose. This is a local-interest environmentalist story. __meco (talk) 07:32, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Comment - All you have to do is Google 'Khimki Forest' to see coverage from around the globe. I urge you to dig a bit deeper, as I originally was unimpressed until I looked into this. Further: the involvement of an international rock star and a chief-of-state negate your point, in my view. Jusdafax 07:37, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

the international aspect does lend more credibility, but are there sources that affirm the connection to the suspension. What i've read so far was an appeal by Putin to Medvedev (this itself could be something) to halt it on behalf of United Russia.Lihaas (talk) 23:55, 26 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose This is a local interest story with some international attention but not much. I can't currently see any mention of it on the BBC News website or CNN.com.--Johnsemlak (talk) 10:00, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose: minimal international interest; Strongly oppose any "celeb" driven agenda here. Kevin McE (talk) 11:31, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

To clarify, if it's green and there's a bullet flying towards it, Bono's there to jump in the way. Nothing too unusual to see him involved.  f o x  08:56, 28 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Canada to ban Bisphenol-A

Star. Had to read a lot to figure out why this is "historic move". Canada banned it from baby bottles and a large part of the world followed it as apparent from the article. "Canada had been the first country in the world to declare that it intended to label BPA a toxic substance. Even now, the action would have international resonance". I dont know how the banning procedure will work and if will just be banned on some particular day. Most likely it will be a phase out so the intent to ban is most likely going to be of much more interest. -- Ashish-g55 20:31, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply

I love that nomination but think we need a different blurb, anyone got a blurb? Mr. R00t ^Talk 20:48, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply

• Weak oppose. even though a story out of Canada would be nice once in a while I doubt this is it. could not find much international coverage at all. "estrogen-like effects are suspected of creating havoc with hormone levels." !!!!! maybe Physchim62 will comment on this11--Wikireader41 (talk) 03:43, 26 August 2010 (UTC)reply

this isn't really a story that would get international coverage right away. most people will not know what it is. this has encyclopedic value thats all. Estrogen effects in men cant be a good thing lol. -- Ashish-g55 13:12, 26 August 2010 (UTC)reply

well this is ITN and we are discussing what is "in the news". the medpage article seems to suggest that it increases testosterone levels in men and has no effect on women. unless you have prostate cancer increasing testosterone levels in men generally is a good thing. anyway would love to see more Canadian stories on ITN for sure.--Wikireader41 (talk) 14:16, 26 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose. I love to see science stories on ITN, but only if there's a good reason behind them. This story is (unfortunately) rather "run-of-the-mill". Changing the classification of BPA from "harmful" to "toxic" is not a huge move, it just means you've killed a few more rats... The European Union Risk Assessment Report from February 2010 concluded that BPA "met the T criterion" (ie, it's toxic, see p 139 of the PDF file). The human cohort study cited by Wikireader is interesting, and is consistent with many other studies, but I don't think it's enough on its own to justify an ITN story: we would really need its inclusion in the Rotterdam Convention, which is a long way off. Physchim62 (talk) 18:32, 26 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Filair plane crash

20 fatalities in Congo 12 - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 16:57, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Already we have another news like this on ITN but IMO 20 deaths it's pretty big. - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 17:36, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply

I'm sorry, but I have to ask, what is the point of creating an "article" whose only content is On August 25, 2010, at least 20 people were killed in Congo after a plane crash near Bandundu? Seriously, that's just enough to escape speedy deletion under A1. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:49, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Or for that matter, On 24 August 2010 a plane crash in Nepal. 13 Modest Genius ^talk 17:57, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Sigh. That's almost a textbook A1! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:03, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose unless this turns out to be much bigger than it currently appears. Modest Genius ^talk 17:57, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply

String of Attacks in Iraq kill over 50

These coordinated attacks in 13 locations come as the U.S. states the number of troops it has in Iraq is now below 50,000. Article started at 25 August 2010 Iraq bombings. Jusdafax 15:50, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Those bullet points will need to be converted into prose and the references could do with proper formatting. I'm currently neutral on this one. On the one hand, these attacks are far from uncommon, but on the other, 50 seems an unusually high death toll. I could be swayed by a decent article. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:46, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Agree the article needs some work. I will be unable to do it myself for the next several hours, so if anyone wants to take a swing at it, that would be great. I see that Reuters has the number of dead at over 60. Jusdafax 19:04, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply

I was just going to nominate this and ask if there is a page, i see there is one. Over 50 dead and about 200 wounded which is a busy day even for the iraqi insurgency so support when the article is get set to go.

update: ive added some more and cleaned it a bit, but it can sure use more. (including ref cleanup)Lihaas (talk) 02:09, 26 August 2010 (UTC));reply

 Done I think the article is decent now, and my thanks to Lihaas for getting the ball rolling on the article work. I have additionally expanded it, and cleaned up all refs. I'd like to see some reasonably rapid feedback; I now Support per HJ Mitchell's comment - these particular attacks are unusual, and the timing re: the announced U.S. pullout date, and the co-ordinated 13 city, Iraq-wide scope, make this a good ITN addition. Jusdafax 04:55, 26 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support from me but it would be good to convert the refs into citenews format so we know who published them. --Mkativerata (talk) 05:24, 26 August 2010 (UTC)reply

 Done Refs are now all citenews. Jusdafax 06:42, 26 August 2010 (UTC) Proposed blurb:reply

• In Iraq, coordinated insurgent attacks across 13 locations kill over 50 Iraqis. Jusdafax 10:19, 26 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Posted -- tariqabjotu 10:29, 26 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Thanks, and my thanks to all who made this one possible. A very sad story, obviously, but good job getting it to ITN. Jusdafax 11:11, 26 August 2010 (UTC)reply

could someone (tariqabjotu, the admin in this case) lock the page as its filling with rubbish vandalism/test edits now that its on the main page.Lihaas (talk) 02:09, 26 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Mexican deaths

"Mexican troops have uncovered at least 72 bodies on a ranch in northeastern Mexico." Related to an ongoing drugs war. —  Cargoking  talk  12:40, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply

people dont realise but this would never get to ITn without at least an articele, or even section..Lihaas (talk) 03:59, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply

• Support the article which could be updated would be Mexican Drug War--Wikireader41 (talk) 14:13, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply
• Support - significant and timely, but withdrawing support if there is no direct article or reasonably-detailed section in the article. Jusdafax 14:19, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply
• Support. Significant event. ~AH1^(TCU) 14:21, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply
• Support, once update completed and/or article created. I think an appropriate place to start would be Mexican Drug War#Escalation, but this may warrant an article of its own as well. Ks0stm ^(T•C•G) 15:36, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply
• Support as per above.--Johnsemlak (talk) 15:49, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply

• My personal opinion is that this should be covered in an existing article, where the reader can access all the relevant background information. There seems little to be gained from creating an entirely new article. Regardless, we need an update somewhere. the consensus seems pretty clear, so the update is the only thing holding it back. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:43, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply

It is now the BBC's main story: "Murdered bodies found in Mexico 'were migrants'" —  Cargoking  talk  22:04, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply

We can certainly do something like that for all the Iraq/Afghan/Pakistan attacks to put on pne page per year (with sections for details) instead of hordes of new articles. (i admit ive done this too)Lihaas (talk) 03:59, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply

except that notable attacks occur in those parts of the world so frequently that any attempt to have a single article cover everything would break WP:LIMIT--Wikireader41 (talk) 03:58, 26 August 2010 (UTC)reply

• 72 bodies are discovered in northwest Mexico, believed to be victims of the ongoing drug war. —  Cargoking  talk  09:55, 26 August 2010 (UTC)reply

oppose i may be outnumbered in the tally, but this is the first response in regard to the article. The article itself it just 1 paragraph that is an assortment of paraphrases from various sources. Dont think it adds anything new. especially since notability is not affirmed by official sources (whose reactions would indicate severity) on either side of the border.Lihaas (talk) 03:59, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Without a decent and/or direct article I'll have to strike my support and join you in an Oppose Jusdafax 10:26, 26 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Comment. As per above, a specific article on this event is not required and a better way of linking is directly to the Mexican Drug War article. There is no policy that states a specific article is required for the bold link. ~AH1^(TCU) 17:59, 26 August 2010 (UTC)reply

True enough, but as I see it the five lines devoted to the killings in the lengthy article are unsuitable, as Lihaas has noted. The information badly needs expanding. I am sorry to change my support, but I don't think directing main page readers to this stub of a mention is proper. Happy to reconsider if some enhancement is created. Jusdafax 21:20, 26 August 2010 (UTC)reply

The text has been moved by someone to Timeline of the Mexican Drug War. Is there any point of updating that further? Is the article itself good enough for the main page? —  Cargoking  talk  10:51, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

timeline is similar to the drugs war page. Arent there more details and reactions as suggested above? It would increase notability if the mexican/usa leadership said something at least as to how grave the situation is becoming..Lihaas (talk) 11:51, 27 August 2010 (UTC));reply

Well the President has 'condemned the killings'. —  Cargoking  talk  16:37, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Danny Philip

• Nominate the election of Danny Philip as Prime Minister of the Solomon Islands following the general election. The article just needs to be expanded to reflect the election. Scanlan (talk) 01:19, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply

The general election page is more suited to get on as the main bold article. (it was nominated before but rejected becasue the article was not up to scratch, if it was however it would certainly be ITN-Worth)(Lihaas (talk) 03:59, 25 August 2010 (UTC));reply

True the general election article needs some work, but there is a precendent on ITN for highlighting a change in the top leadership of a nation. Scanlan (talk) 11:41, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Support - but surely in a parliamentary system the elected political party is more important than the leader, because that is who the population are voting for --Daviessimo (talk) 11:49, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply

can always improve the election article...Lihaas (talk) 03:59, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose - population not high enough to be significant internationally. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:06, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply

ITN rules say all sovereign states (as opposed to partial recognition or subnational entities) get the election results published.Lihaas (talk) 03:59, 25 August 2010 (UTC)reply

That's not a rule, that's a recurring item listing, which is an "an attempt to standardize which (items) get included," according to WP:ITN/R. I think we are being way too -- I don't know what the word is, "mathematical," perhaps? -- if we're going to say all events of type X and no events of type Y get included, no matter what. Any item has to meet the original ITN criteria: be in the news, be "of wide interest to the encyclopedia's readers" and either have quality, recently updated Wikipedia content behind it or be likely to see that content show up soon. Right now, the article has an expansion tag on it, and because of the relative obscurity of the subject matter, it's questionable whether people are going to improve the article enough to make it worth linking to on the Main Page. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 02:26, 26 August 2010 (UTC)reply

The Solomon Islands are a sovereign state, same as Russia amd China. A change of leadership should be featured in ITN, as it has in the past. Scanlan (talk) 15:07, 26 August 2010 (UTC)reply

They may be sovereign but they're not the same as Russia or China. Oppose since it's not of wide enough interest. ~DC _{Let's Vent} 17:25, 26 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Comment I'd certainly support any change of leadership in a country with a population of greater than about 5 million. Russia and China are definitely well into that category. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:36, 26 August 2010 (UTC)reply

That leaves only twp countries in Oceania -- Australia and PNG, and leaves out countries such as NZ and Ireland, but you guys will probably add those two because one is in Europe and the other is mostly white. :P –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 08:08, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

I'd support New Zealand and Ireland as both are English speaking. However at least they are both fairly close to 5 million - the Solomon islands are nowhere near. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 08:31, 28 August 2010 (UTC)reply

That's the point -- Even if you'd add up the rest of Oceania excluding PNG, Australia and NZL I don't think they'd reach 5 million. We'd be omitting several countries' elections from ITN. Granted I don't think anyone cares about elections in Pitcairn Island, or even Eastern Island, but how about Fiji, this country, Vanuatu, etc.? If Samoa qualifies for the Rugby World Cup final they'd be there but their national elections won't. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 14:22, 28 August 2010 (UTC)reply

A country the size of New Zealand - who on the scale of things seem pretty small are actually the 123rd biggest country which means there are 70 odd countries that are smaller than that.

Now admittedly Fiji is one I have actually heard of, but I'd be struggling to name more than about a dozen countries with a population lower than 4 million. Out of the countries bigger than about 5 million I could probably have a good go at naming the majority of them. It seems unnecessary to post national elections in countries where there is less significance to the world than who the mayor or New York, London or any other major world city is.

That said if nothing else is suitable for posting I'll retract my oppose here. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:12, 28 August 2010 (UTC)reply

nearly 24 hours since a posting, with nothign else happening above this election page (NOT the PM page) can get a belated posting with my weak support Lihaas (talk) 11:49, 27 August 2010 (UTC))reply

• Article is Solomon Islands general election, 2010. Despite a lot of previous work, it needs updating and revision. Jusdafax 14:35, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

What's missing in the article is how Philip was chosen as the new PM, otherwise it looks OK; I've seen other articles with worse states being added there. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 14:24, 28 August 2010 (UTC)reply

I've said this before, but using population as some indicator of the importance of a national election is fundamentally flawed. Whatever happened to applying the logic of "Correlation does not imply causation". Just because a country has a large population does not automatically mean its elections are more important than those with small populations. Ireland is well known in global politics due to issues over NI, yet its population is only just over 1/10th of that of Tanzania, a country I suspect most people couldn't locate on a map, let alone know anything about politically. Likewise, countries such as Bosnia, Kosovo, Cyprus, Palestine and Lebanon all have populations below 5m, but have been involved in major global geo-political issues over the last 20 years. I mean, are we really advocating ignoring elections in Bosnia or Lebanon on the basis that because they have populations <5m, they are somehow insignificant or unimportant? --Daviessimo (talk) 18:50, 28 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Three out of those five (Lebanon, Palestine and Bosnia) are pretty close to having a population of 5 million with a population of over 4 million apiece. And Ireland is in the same boat. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 19:25, 28 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Guys, stop. This is really not relevant here, if you want to discuss the notability of separate countries, discuss it on the talkpage, not on the nomination section. Regarding this nom, Philip's article has a sufficient update imo. --Tone 20:04, 28 August 2010 (UTC)reply

why isnt this on yet? its been so many hours and a majority of supporters..Lihaas (talk) 11:49, 27 August 2010 (UTC))reply

There is clearly not anything close to even a rough consensus on this one and not exactly a groundswell of support. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 08:03, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Given the timers red, and everything else looks even worse I Support as its a slow news week. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 08:05, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

• I'll go and post "Danny Philip is elected Prime Minister of Solomon islands, following general election." when I get one more support. --Tone 09:01, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Its 4-1 for addition..(Sanclan, Daviessmo, me, and Eraser head vs. DC. (Eraserhead's oppose was changed to support)

as an aside, the general election link being the bold part as per usual election coverage? Lihaas (talk) 11:49, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Posting. As for bolding, Philip's article has more update IMO. Feel free to change it later. --Tone 11:31, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

I'll Support as I was confused, I kept waiting for Solomon Islands general election, 2010 to get updated and it never did, but the Danny Philip article is fine. Jusdafax 11:35, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply

Okay, ive just added some stuff to the election article from Phillips (As stuff not concerning him per se, was more suited to the election). can we change?(Lihaas (talk) 11:52, 29 August 2010 (UTC));reply