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Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 00:47, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

The point in the lede about hyperdulia is quite an important technical point about Marian veneration from a Catholic or Eastern perspective. I do not know why it should be removed. In fact the Protestant accusation of "Mariolatry" does kind of relate to this where we mention latria but without sources and a dispassionate discussion of the refutation, I don't see a need to include that. Secondly, perhaps someone should fact-check through this article. I just found the infobox claiming that "Catholics believe Mary didn't die..." false -- corrected. There may be worse stuff hanging around in here. Elizium23 (talk) 05:49, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Indeed! Johnbod (talk) 17:27, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Whether Mary died before being assumed into heaven remains disputed among Catholic theologians: by the Assumption we declare that her body did not corrupt. But in heaven, as Paul says, there are not physical but spiritual bodies. I agree that the precise type of veneration which Catholics afford Mary is topical to this article, along with correction of false notions. Jzsj (talk) 17:39, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Seems like the opening line of this article is suboptimal. I could be mistaken, but it seems to be a subjective judgement on Roman Catholicism rather than something becomint of an objective, detached article. Any thoughts? 47.221.153.136 (talk) 18:05, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

@Medusahead, I see you've begun modifying instances of "Pope N X issued a papal bull" to remove "papal" because of the tautology. I am not sure this is an error to be corrected, but let's discuss options. A "papal bull" is a common idiom and may be more recognizable to reader ship than simply writing "bull" which may also be misconstrued if unadorned. Would it also be an option to observe MOS:HON and remove "Pope" from the phrase instead? Then we could kill two MOS birds with one stone. Elizium23 (talk) 09:23, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

That's a good idea, thank you. However, the word pope comes mostly from the link of the pope's name. (I removed the word "papal" because I felt that it wasn't necessary to say that the bull was "papal" when it had been already said that a pope wrote it). --Medusahead (talk) 09:44, 21 December 2022 (UTC)reply