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Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eastern Europe
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Case Opened on 23:47, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Case Closed on 18:08, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Case Amended by motion on 14:32, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Case Renamed by motion on 05:44, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Case Amended by motion on 05:32, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Case amended by motion on 00:50, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Case amended by motion on 23:19, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Case amended by motion on 22:19, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Case amended by remedy on 16:30, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Case amended by motion on 21:15, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Watchlist all case pages: 1, 2, 3, 4

Please do not edit this page directly unless you wish to become a participant in this case. (All participants are subject to Arbitration Committee decisions, and the ArbCom will consider each participant's role in the dispute.) Comments are very welcome on the Talk page, and will be read, in full. Evidence, no matter who can provide it, is very welcome at /Evidence. Evidence is more useful than comments.

Arbitrators, the parties, and other editors may suggest proposed principles, findings, and remedies at /Workshop. That page may also be used for general comments on the evidence. Arbitrators will then vote on a final decision in the case at /Proposed decision.

Once the case is closed, editors may add to the #Log of blocks and bans as needed, but closed cases should not be edited otherwise. Please raise any questions at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Requests for clarification.

Involved parties

Clerk note: Above is a listing of all users mentioned in the CheckUser requests. (DLX and Digwuren)

Statement by Irpen

Digwuren (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is a notoriously abusive POV-pusher and a fierce revert warrior with the record of gross disruption.

The case here is crystal clear. Without spending time going over details of his past disruption and block log (his last one-week block being not even a month ago) it is enough to take a look at Digwuren edits within the last 12 hours. There are a total of 93 edits.

Looking at the edit summaries of his reverts, one sees that he routinely accuses his opponents in vandalism and not by merely using the undo button, but specifically using the vandalism undo option in twinkle:

You are welcome to dig deeper to find more of the same. After the last debacle, he promised to solicit opinions from other editors to rectify the situation. The promise earned him an unblock but he failed to deliver on his promise. He was later reminded of it by an unblocking admin and promised again to rectify the situation with no result to this day.

A devoted revert warrior, he is as of the day of this submission, Aug. 14, 2007, one step under 3RR at Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya, Occupation of Estonia by Nazi Germany, and Alyosha Mirny and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

The disruption would not have reached the current level if he was not receiving a consistent encouragement and support from a small but well coordinated group of editors that feel sympathetic to his fringe POV. Judging from the past record, I believe this encouragement and support is bound to continue. What prompted me to submit this case for arbitration without further wait is the extent of disruption, meatpuppeting in edit wars, discussions of deletion, renaming or ANI, thus effectively bombing those discussions. Just today I noticed a fresh single-purpose account Ptrt (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) whose entire short activity consists of the support of Digwuren in edit wars followed by the immediate joining of the 5-edit old account to the ANI discussion, once the appearance of a new SPA was mentioned there.

The fact of multiple users editing from the Tartu University from behind firewall makes even a checkuser less than conclusive to sort out this mess. Immediate appearance of the familiar faces at any discussion, board, talk page, edit war that involves Digwuren is mind-boggling. There is also an undeniable evidence of the permanent line of the off-wiki connection among the POV-pushing (even legitimate) accounts as the coordination in synchronous revert warring, talk and board page postings is impossible to explain otherwise. Sure enough, coordinated posting will follow below.

Finally, there is an unprecedented fact of the complaint by the blocking admin that his computer faced the intrusion from Estonia-based IPs during the block period.

This is all too messy and complex for ANI and warrants a more thorough look by the ArbCom members armed with the checkuser tool and experience in dealing with POV-pushers of the most disruptive pattern. I did not even go into Digwuren's edits themselves, which are notorious for extremely blatant pattern of POV-pushing on all fronts, to save space as the ArbCom intervention is clearly warranted by the facts outlined above in their own right. I don't believe there is even a need at this stage to analyze content-wise this tsunami of POV-pushing while Digwuren's friends are to attempt circumventing the discussion of his disruption by presenting it in terms of some global content conflict. This is nothing like the much more complex in assigning faults and finding remedies Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus. The Piotrus' case involves top-notch editors from all sides dangled into their content disagreements and largely revolves around the notion of ethical conduct, also very important but much more difficult to judge or remedy. However, this case is about a clearly disallowed pattern of behavior spelled out very well in our policies and guidelines.

The mess of the egregious POV-pushing and disruption by Tartu-based accounts has got to be sorted out at last with:

  1. illegitimate accounts banned
  2. valid disruptive accounts placed on various paroles
  3. Digwuren receiving the punishment called for by the degree of the disruption caused by him.

If ArbCom has no way of determining the illegitimate accounts, still 2 and 3 above is within its purview if it agrees that the action is needed. --Irpen

Statement by Digwuren

Indeed, as Martintg points out, this is a snowjob, starting from absurd accusations and misrepresentations, and ending in Bishonen's hypocritical attempt to present an RFC that she failed (on absurd premises) as suddenly valid now that it suits her cabalistic purposes. However:

  • I have never edited Wikipedia using computing resources restricted to University of Tartu, nor through any firewall operated by the University. If this arbitration case is about that university, I'm irrelevant to it.
  • The confirmation is bogus. Last week, exploiting the short work-week caused by August 20 falling to Monday this year, I left for a brief vacation. The first real notification of this whole RFAR was sent to me through email two days ago, and I only read it yesterday night, in a relatively inconvenient position. (I will not divulge the mail's sender's identity at this point, due to concern of bogus puppeteering accusations raising out of it. I may do so if he or she should explicitly agree, or confirm it if he or she should publically claim to have sent it.)
  • The "last 12 hours" section is just as bogus. First, such a period of time is far too short for any thorough analysis. Second, as should be obvious, I was relatively busy with off-Wikipedia affairs during these hours, leading to many of my edits being spelling fixes and other minorities about Soviet Union's cosmonauts. Third, dismissing "purely non-content formatting changes" belies hypocrisy on part of Irpen, as evidenced by this suggestion to his pet troll RJ CG (who, should it be relevant in any way, is currently blocked by ProhibitOnions, a completely uninvolved — and thus, presumably neutral — administrator)
  • Irpen's misrepresentation of as "grossly offensive", as "accusation of stalking" or as "offensive accusation" are patently ridiculous.
  • As for non-repentance — I do not customarily repent when I'm being right. I may repent and apologise when I make a mistake, as happened in . However, Petri Krohn's attempts to push his grossly incorrect — and offensive — alternative history ideas about The Holocaust to Wikipedia are clearly a deliberate attempt to violate Wikipedia's integrity; that is to say, vandalism. It is not different from a bored teenager spray-painting swastikas to synagogues, and it serves no encyclopædic purpose whatsoever.
  • As for Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Digwuren, I'm still preparing material for it. I have been rushed (as it turned out, on false pretenses and completely needlessly) into one RFC/U before; I certainly don't want to make the same mistake twice. There's a lot of material to work through, and it needs thorough analysis.
  • As for "devoted revert warrior" — thanks for noticing my devotion.
  • As for "fringe POV", this is yet another ridiculous claim. All content I have added to Wikipedia's mainspace comes from either WP:RS or is common knowledge. This has been elaborated by other users above, so I do not go into details here. If I would, I should refer to material gathered for the above-mentioned RFC, and as mentioned above, there's quite a lot of it.
  • Ptrt appears to belong to an established personality in Estonian Usenet, whose first name is probably 'Peeter'. He has mostly been active in newsgroups I haven't been in, so I don't know anything further about him; this has been gleaned from two simple Google searches.
  • FayssalF's story about cyber-attacks is revolting. It is not only a ridiculous accusation (first, the only thing I, as a non-administrator, can know about FayssalF's laptop — such knowledge being needed for such an attack — is that there's a good chance it's somewhere in or near Morocco, and that only because FayssalF declares on his userpage that he's in Morocco; second, there would be nothing to gain for me by such an attack, and third, I haven't been to Tallinn since May), but with me being a contributor to the article on Cyberattacks on Estonia 2007, this is an attack on my integrity; an accusation of my engaging in hypocrisy. I know for a fact that FayssalF can not back his accusation up with any evidence, thus, I expect him to either apologise, or the Arbitration Committee to strongly rebuke him. (There's another issue of FayssalF's weird ideas regarding me, but I expect to raise that in the upcoming RFC, so I won't detail it here.)
  • As for off-wiki communication, I would point out Petri Krohn's hypocrisy. From the sudden style change in RJ CG's contributions, and especially, their extent, it's clear that from about August 13, Petri Krohn has been feeding content to RJ CG for inclusion in Wikipedia; possibly related to this call for off-wiki communication from 21 July. (I can't blame Irpen for not noticing this, though, as it can be reasonably assumed that he is not familiar with RJ CG's previous style, or, being non-native English speaker, does not notice most of the subtle linguistic clues.) This kind of meatpuppeting to try and leave his own — once burnt — hands "clean" from a user so vocal about bogus puppeteering changes before constitutes hypocrisy.
  • As for JdeJ, I believe he's misunderstood the purpose of my comment, possibly through unfortunate word choice by me. I apologise for the misunderstanding, and point out that I have nothing against his person, or his good job in a host of other areas. His particular idea in question, though, is rather problematic. But this is not the place to work that out.
  • As for "disruptive users", very few of the users traceable to Estonia can be classified under that, and almost all of those are one-shot trolls, such as Gerog112 (who appears to have left once the Rein Lang affair got cold). None are those listed under the abusive RFCU incidents. I agree with Irpen that disruption-reduction measures are needed — very frustratingly, this has not been done on Baltics States related articles for a long time —, but his fingers are pointing to a wrong direction.
  • As per above and below, I strongly reject Irpen's peculiar notion that there's punishable disruption emanating from me. If he insist he's talking about a Digwuren, he does not know what he's talking about.
  • The comparison with the Piotrus' (whom I deeply respect) arbitration case is relevant, but incomplete, for reasons that do not belong here.
  • This RFC is important for another reason. Specifically, extra-political deletion of such a clear-case RFC, and accompanying comments made by Bishonen (to which I will not link, because I consider it too likely that she'll just delete the RFC again, leading to these links becoming red) sent the folks of WikiProject Estonia a strong message that there is no real way to deal with persistent and determined trolling on Estonia-related articles. For example, one of the currently most active trolls in these articles is RJ CG. Is it feasible to do an RFC on him? No, because no matter what people disagreeing with his continuous tedious editing do, it's not enough for Bishonen. Is it feasible to do other kind of WP:DR? No, because according to Wikipedia policy, the RFC step must first be done.
  • Because of this, I welcome this arbitration. (So has been Alexia Death, who is apparently quite sick from Petri Krohn's repetition of the arbitration mantra.) As seen by actions of Bishonen, this snowjob by Irpen is the only real way of achieving an environment even remotely conducive to collecting an encyclopædia. It may not be according to the policy, but life has shown that on Wikipedia, policy is for excuses, not for rules, anyway.
  • But the arbitration is thoroughly misrequested. As I have explained above, it is most certainly not about me. This arbitration is needed to sort out disruption in articles relating to Northeastern Europe, including the "Tartu University accounts" slur. If the Arbitration Committee fails to condemn that misrepresentation as a case of uncivil behaviour, I will consider it a personal WP:POINT of mine to refer to the cabal centered around Petri Krohn, Ghirlandajo, Mikkalai and RJ CG as "Cartel USSR Forever" in every relevant Wikipedia-related context. (Thanks for Erik Jesse for coining it.) I may consider such broad-brush labelling disdainful in my off-Wikipedia life, but Wikipedia will have shown that this is what it is about.

All that having been said, let's now go forward with arbitration. It would appear arbitrators have even been so forthcoming as to vote for accepting it even before I returned from my vacation. I guess it underlines my non-involvement. Digwuren 17:23, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Statement by Alexia Death

There have been threats of Arbcom from almost the very beginning I and other Estonians now labeled "Tartu accounts" or "Korp!Estonia" became active and I personally am sick and tired of the constant attacks, the accusations and the mindless POV pushing based an national level animosity of certain editors. It needs higher level attention, and it needs it NOW. Lets air this matter for good.

Lets get the facts straight
  • Editing from behind UT firewall allegation is false - I graduated from University of Tartu two years ago and have NEVER edited WP from its infrastructure or knowingly used its proxy. These claims are plain WRONG. I have never knowingly met any of the editors associated with me in his manner.
  • Accusations of "hacking" are dubious - To attack someone, Digwurren would need to know that someones IP. He is not an admin so he has NO ACCESS to that information. FayssalF is mistaken and owes Digwurren an apology unless he shows some proof. Otherwise the whole claim is slander. The recent clam that an obscure guess about his locations based on his public info proves anything is rather odd. I'm starting to SERIOUSLY doubt his IT skills if he keeps it up. Knowing that someone is in or near Morocco is about as helpful in mounting a cyber attack on someone as knowing that a particular person likes to wear blue pants in finding that particular person in a city of a million people. If FayssalF maintains that Digwurren mounted a cyber attack on him then Wikipedia must have a major leak or flaw somewhere allowing Digwuren to obtain his IP. Is he prepared to claim that?
Comment on Digwuren and his woes

I became active on Wikipedia pretty much on the same time as he did. I've participated in the same "battles". The difference between him and me is that I refuse to follow the examples set by opposition. With the constant name calling("extreme nationalist Estonians", "Korp!Estonia", "socks on wheels" - this I actually found to be funny), constant accusations of vandalism ... no wonder it has rubbed of on someone fairly new to Wikipedia. We tried RFC/U with Petri Krohn, but in spite the overwhelming amount of evidence, the case was rejected because, apparently we had not tried hard enough to make up. I believe this was the turning point of Digwurren. We had tried to do this right, but it did not work. Why bother with being good all the time if the system favors being bad? May it be noted that this is not an excuse, its a reason and as long as the rules are not enforced fairly and equally on everybody, there will be others leaning from current "role models".

Comment on now undeleted RFC/Petri_Krohn
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