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Everyone is banned from my talk page (except for mandatory notices, of course) until further notice. And do not ping me. R2 (bleep) 03:33, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Monsanto Cancer Case RfC - text has changed, please review
Hi there, please see amended proposed text here; this new version may be preferable to you, based on your remarks. Thanks for taking part in the RfC. petrarchan47คุก 06:04, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
You may not use an image in your signature, so please change it. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 12:58, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
File:Droid small icon.tiff
Hi Ahrtoodeetoo. Unfortunately, I've had to delete File:Droid small icon.tiff, an image that you uploaded, because it seemed to be a clear copyright violation. The image depicted R2D2, which is a fictional characters whose design is copyrighted and cannot be used without permission. Wikipedia has a fairly strict copyright policy, and I apologize for the inconvenience. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me on my talk page. Mz7 (talk) 06:57, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
- The image was in the public domain, but no matter, I recently removed if from my signature and so have no use for it now. Thanks for your diligence. R2 (bleep) 16:26, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
- The image was clearly a derivative work of R2D2, which is surely nonfree intellectual property owned, I believe, by Disney. For this reason, it was not in the public domain. Mz7 (talk) 17:45, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
Strange... Your addition here had vanished by the next edit. No history of its removal. Glitch or server-crash and restoration? Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 07:38, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
American Politics editingedit
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Matthew Whitakeredit
Hi, R2:
I do have a problem with your editing. You've repeatedly reverted the Comey material which I think is violative of a de facto consensus as other editors have disagreed with you by reverting your deletions. I have appreciated a lot of your editing, but not in the present case. I also have a problem with you being snarky, but thin skinned at the same time, when someone treats you the way you have treated others. I hope you don't mind my frankness, and feel free to take issue with me now or in the future, but I think you're wrong on this one. Activist (talk) 16:35, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for coming here and explaining. Feel free to respond inline.
- 1. Can you please point to this de facto consensus? R2 (bleep) 16:47, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- 2. How and where was I being snarky? R2 (bleep) 16:47, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- 3. I can appreciate that you see my comments on your talk page as being thin-skinned. In fact, I have a thick skin, but I want to set the bar early and high for our discourse, as in my perception you came out swinging pretty hard and low for no apparent reason. You seem like a very capable and experienced editor and I see no reason why we shouldn't be able to model good behavior for others. Better to make sure our relationship gets off to a good start than to let things fester unaddressed. It appears there are many longstanding, bitter rivalries on Wikipedia and that's something I'd like to avoid from the get-go. R2 (bleep) 16:47, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- 4. What is "Watkins" about? R2 (bleep) 16:48, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- 4 Ah, that would be a brain fart, Sherlock.
- 3 Thanks. That works for me.
- 2 I can look it up, but it seems you were, and I'm so busy I'm liable to explode and disappear into the ether. If only my phone would stop ringing, though all the calls have been important.
- 1 I restored, as did one or two others, before we wound up on Talk. As above, I can look it up if you feel I should and would explain why I think so.
I've got to get back to actual work. I'm about two months behind. Activist (talk) 21:57, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I guess I don't share your sense of humor. I will need diffs for #1. And I would appreciate you either tracking down an answer to #2, or agreeing to play a little nicer in general. I never disparaged you, I don't intend to in the future, and I hope you will extend me the same courtesy. R2 (bleep) 22:03, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
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Sarah Jeongedit
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Greetings. If you are going to characterize the subject's tweets as "provocative" and lacking "substance", etc., then you should cite a published source, and these opinions should be properly attributed. Otherwise such comments may be removed per policy. Thank you. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 07:49, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- The Wired source we were discussing said that the subject acknowledged that the tweet was provocative. The "lacking substance" language was my own analysis. WP:BLPREMOVE isn't an excuse to censor good faith discussion of article content. R2 (bleep) 23:31, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- Talk pages are not discussion forums where anyone can publish their "analysis", apart from discussion of sources, article focus, and Wikipedia policy. That's especially so for a contentious BLP with three sets of discretionary sanctions applied. The "provocative" label still needs attribution to the source. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 02:23, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- Whatev. You're most definitely not going to get consensus for that "analysis" of our BLP policy. R2 (bleep) 00:01, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
- BLP policy is clear on this :
Editors must take particular care when adding information about living persons to any Wikipedia page. Such material requires a high degree of sensitivity, and must adhere strictly ... to this policy, and to Wikipedia's three core content policies including Neutral point of view (NPOV) ... This policy applies to ... material about living persons in other articles and on other pages, including talk pages
. I've archived the thread accordingly. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 05:58, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
- BLP policy is clear on this :
- Whatev. You're most definitely not going to get consensus for that "analysis" of our BLP policy. R2 (bleep) 00:01, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
- Talk pages are not discussion forums where anyone can publish their "analysis", apart from discussion of sources, article focus, and Wikipedia policy. That's especially so for a contentious BLP with three sets of discretionary sanctions applied. The "provocative" label still needs attribution to the source. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 02:23, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
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Hmmedit
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You were kind enough to create the talk page here for my userspace FAQ page, but did you bother to read the page itself? You must not have, otherwise why would you have made this revert of material that had already been in and out of the article multiple times today before participating in the talkpage discussion that had a working consensus for its inclusion? ~Awilley (talk) 21:54, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- I did read your FAQ. Perhaps I misunderstood it? I thought what was prohibited was reinstating my edit within 24 hours. I didn't do that. I also don't see a talk page consensus. R2 (bleep) 22:06, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- What do the answers to Q4 and Q9 mean to you? Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the term "tag team edit war"? ~Awilley (talk) 22:14, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- I didn't tag team edit war, nor does your new editing restriction prohibit that. It says so explicitly in the answer to Q4. Nor did I attempt to game the system. I came to the page, saw new, offending content that violated our core policies, removed it, and then explained my removal on the talk page. That's it. I believe that's called... exemplary behavior. R2 (bleep) 23:02, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- Whether you were aware of it or not, you did in fact participate in a tag-team edit war, and your edit went against where the consensus was currently leaning on the talk page. Please be more careful in the future, because the next time this happens you will get a "consensus required" sanction all of your own (as stated in the answer to Q4). ~Awilley (talk) 23:53, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- No I did not participate in a tag-team edit war, I did not attempt to game your system, and
if you sanction me for similar conduct next time thenI will contest it and complain about your heavy-handed behavior. I like your new DS restriction, but I detest your enforcement of it. R2 (bleep) 01:08, 20 December 2018 (UTC) - Scratch that. Your conduct here is detrimental to the project. I'm going to sleep on going to AN straight off. R2 (bleep) 01:15, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- Here's the tag-team edit war you say you didn't participate in:
- content added by Galobtter
- content removed by MrX
- content added by JFG
- content removed by you
- Here's the talkpage consensus that you didn't see: Editors explicitly expressing support for the content were Politrukki, JFG, MONGO, and PackMecEng. Galobtter didn't express a strong opinion, but was working to resolve the concerns of others. MrX had initially expressed opposition, but was in the process of working out a compromise. The only person expressing strong opposition to the content was you. ~Awilley (talk) 03:05, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- You really don't get it. I understand your logic. Truly I do. Now understand mine, Robocop. When you punish well-intentioned editors for trying to improve the encyclopedia and not breaking any explicit rules, it's time to put down the mop. Like, permanently. Here's how we analyze this:
- Ahrtoodeetoo was well-intentioned.
- Ahrtoodeetoo tried to improve the encyclopedia.
- Ahrtoodeetoo did not break any explicit rules.
- You harassed Ahrtoodeetoo for this and gave him a formal warning.
- You have abused your admin privileges.
- Go the fuck away for 24 hours,
you stupid excuse of an admin.
- R2 (bleep) 05:22, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- You really don't get it. I understand your logic. Truly I do. Now understand mine, Robocop. When you punish well-intentioned editors for trying to improve the encyclopedia and not breaking any explicit rules, it's time to put down the mop. Like, permanently. Here's how we analyze this:
- Here's the tag-team edit war you say you didn't participate in:
- No I did not participate in a tag-team edit war, I did not attempt to game your system, and
- Whether you were aware of it or not, you did in fact participate in a tag-team edit war, and your edit went against where the consensus was currently leaning on the talk page. Please be more careful in the future, because the next time this happens you will get a "consensus required" sanction all of your own (as stated in the answer to Q4). ~Awilley (talk) 23:53, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- I didn't tag team edit war, nor does your new editing restriction prohibit that. It says so explicitly in the answer to Q4. Nor did I attempt to game the system. I came to the page, saw new, offending content that violated our core policies, removed it, and then explained my removal on the talk page. That's it. I believe that's called... exemplary behavior. R2 (bleep) 23:02, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- What do the answers to Q4 and Q9 mean to you? Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the term "tag team edit war"? ~Awilley (talk) 22:14, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- I think you had better give Muboshgu and Drmies warnings too. Because, you know, we're all tag teaming and trying to game your rules, right? R2 (bleep) 23:57, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
Cabinet nomineesedit
Howdy. If you check over the edit history of the most recent previous cabinet members, you'll find that nominees were added into their infoboxes. GoodDay (talk) 20:18, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
- That doesn't necessarily mean it should be done on the Whitaker article, and it's not a basis for edit-warring. Please self-revert and raise the issue on the talk page. R2 (bleep) 20:29, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
January 2019edit
Your recent editing history at Baked Alaska (entertainer) shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Bbb23 (talk) 22:59, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
- Bbb23, no edit war - I'm enforcing BLP and engaging on the talk page to find a BLP-compliant way to restore the content. R2 (bleep) 23:12, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
- I wouldn't rely on that exemption if I were you. There are some experienced editors who disagree with you. Your interpretation of BLP policy may be incorrect, in which case the exemption goes bye-bye. I strongly urge you to stop reverting at the article.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:27, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I don't understand how I'm misinterpreting BLP. If there's a good faith, reasonable dispute over whether the content complies with BLP then WP:BLPREMOVE applies, correct? Especially when multiple editors agree with me, including some experienced ones. Also I didn't realize that one's experience was so important. Do you determine consensus by adding up the edit counts of the editors on each side of a dispute? R2 (bleep) 01:45, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
- And, does this comment mean anything to you? Did you read it before you smacked me with your mop? R2 (bleep) 01:54, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
- I wouldn't rely on that exemption if I were you. There are some experienced editors who disagree with you. Your interpretation of BLP policy may be incorrect, in which case the exemption goes bye-bye. I strongly urge you to stop reverting at the article.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:27, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry, but what was this for? I have been trying to find out if you explained this to SusanLesch or had some other interaction with her, or some conversation about alt texts. SusanLesch is a pretty seasoned editor, so I assume she knew what she was doing. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 22:21, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- It was in error. I self-reverted. These comments about experienced editors are frankly pretty obnoxious. At least you didn't threaten me, I appreciate that. R2 (bleep) 22:23, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- At least you didn't ball me out for all the minor edits. Thanks, you guys. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:24, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- It was in error. I self-reverted. These comments about experienced editors are frankly pretty obnoxious. At least you didn't threaten me, I appreciate that. R2 (bleep) 22:23, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
RSNedit
Thank you for the ping; yes, I posted in the wrong thread, mixing the SPLC and the AP ones. I fixed it now. --K.e.coffman (talk) 04:15, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Russian disinformationedit
To this. I guess this is covered by WP:COI, but speaking in general, I think about WP as an experiment in symbiosis. As long as someone behave reasonably, by the rules, and improves content, it does not really matter who he is. If not, there are noticeboards to receive a community input. But it is a difficult environment. My very best wishes (talk) 19:27, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
- I'm not talking about suspecting individual editors of editing for the Russian government (which, btw, would violate our TOS). I'm talking more about systemic issues and evaluating how at risk the project is of being subverted by a coordinated and well-funded disinformation campaign. Another dimension of this is, how much time do non-COI editors "waste" arguing with disruptive and non-disruptive editors who are secretly working for such a campaign, instead of engaging in productive editing? In any case, like I said, I'm looking for prior discussions on this subject, so I can inform myself on various perspectives. R2 (bleep) 19:56, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
- There were discussions about "wikiexperts" 1 and other similar cases, but they were mostly organizational/private company efforts. From what I know or can guess, the scenario of subverting English WP by a foreign power is highly unlikely. Rather, that foreign state will isolate their own internet from the rest of the world. (Russian WPis already mostly subverted, just as the entire Russian speaking "information space"; it does not mean all pages are bad, just a few). But a scenario of degrading content of English WP by various private advertisers and POV pushers is a lot more probable. That is actually happening. My very best wishes (talk) 21:31, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks. There's a huge difference between, say, China's propaganda efforts, which as I understand it are directed at its own citizens, versus Russia's propaganda efforts, which are directed at citizens of other countries. I'm talking specifically about the latter. R2 (bleep) 21:49, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, sure, China does smarter politics abroad than Russia, including their politics in Siberia. My very best wishes (talk) 02:02, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks. There's a huge difference between, say, China's propaganda efforts, which as I understand it are directed at its own citizens, versus Russia's propaganda efforts, which are directed at citizens of other countries. I'm talking specifically about the latter. R2 (bleep) 21:49, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
- There were discussions about "wikiexperts" 1 and other similar cases, but they were mostly organizational/private company efforts. From what I know or can guess, the scenario of subverting English WP by a foreign power is highly unlikely. Rather, that foreign state will isolate their own internet from the rest of the world. (Russian WPis already mostly subverted, just as the entire Russian speaking "information space"; it does not mean all pages are bad, just a few). But a scenario of degrading content of English WP by various private advertisers and POV pushers is a lot more probable. That is actually happening. My very best wishes (talk) 21:31, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
I like what you have written and your approach. Since there is apparently no central discussion on this (rather important) topic, it might warrant the creation of an essay for linking to other discussions and external links, and perhaps the beginning of some sort of POV or statement. It might be called WP:Disinformation - currently a redirect but it could be usurped with a top-hat to the current redirect. WP:Disinformation has almost no page traffic so no one should worry about putting it to use. -- GreenC 16:13, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
- I don't know what I'd want to write, and essay development isn't really my thing anyway, but I'd certainly be willing to provide feedback. R2 (bleep) 17:00, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
Notificationedit
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:39, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
Defending WP:NOTFORUM behavior at Talk:Russian interference....edit
Why are you edit warring that unproductive comment back into visibility? What purpose do you think it serves, to justify your going against two other editors? That's not very collaborative of you. Geogene (talk) 22:24, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
- I enforce WP:TPO because violations are bad for the encyclopedia and the community. Deleting or hatting other editor's good faith, non-WP:NOTFORUM comments, no matter how poorly written and stupid, is what's not collaborative. Better to respond and explain how their comments aren't helpful, than to silence them. In this case the IP made a specific constructive suggestion. No doubt their reasoning was OR and ranty, but that didn't make the comment trolling. R2 (bleep) 16:48, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!edit
|
The Barnstar of Good Humor |
| "We don't post for friends, Chandler."2 — JFG talk 18:17, 22 April 2019 (UTC) |
- Ha ha, that was totally inadvertent, but I'll take it! Thanks! R2 (bleep) 18:23, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
- That was indeed a good one. I laughed when I saw it. -- BullRangifer (talk) 21:14, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
Preserveedit
Per WP:PRESERVE, you are welcome to improve the content you deleted. Those are important points made in that RS (and many others), and should be included somewhere in that article. -- BullRangifer (talk) 21:13, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
- I did give it some thought. There's probably a way to use that source, but it wasn't apparent to me. R2 (bleep) 21:15, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
Reformatting talk page listsedit
I do think I should be reformatting lists properly. I originally cited WP:INDENTMIX, but since that shortcut is only an archived discussion on a talk page, I searched for more reliable guidelines. WP:TPO states, Cautiously editing or removing another editor's comments is sometimes allowed, but normally you should stop if there is any objection.
It further explains, restrict the edits to formatting changes only and preserve the content as much as possible. Examples include fixing indentation levels ...
. The #Layout section below specifically calls out accessibility problems created by improper list practices, described in detail at MOS:LISTGAP. I don't believe I've broken any rules or guidelines in merely fixing the list structure, and I believe that doing so is positive and not harmful. —烏Γ (kaw) │ 19:46, 04 May 2019 (UTC)
- what’s the accessibility problem? R2 (bleep) 23:11, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
- MOS:LISTGAP:
Excessive double line breaks also disrupt screen readers, which will announce multiple lists when only one was intended, and therefore may mislead or confuse users of these programs. Such improper formatting can also more than triple the length of time it takes them to read the list.
—烏Γ (kaw) │ 23:22, 04 May 2019 (UTC)- How is this a problem for talk pages, as opposed to articles? R2 (bleep) 00:41, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- I counter: How is fixing the formatting a problem at all? —烏Γ (kaw) │ 01:56, 05 May 2019 (UTC)
- You're changing another editor's talk page comments over their objection, citing only the Manual of Style, which doesn't apply to talk pages. The way that editors format their talk page comments is very personal. When an editor asks you not to stop editing
theircomments, stop editingtheirthe comments. R2 (bleep) 20:29, 5 May 2019 (UTC) - Corrected. R2 (bleep) 20:52, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- Why don't we ask for clarification at WT:TPG? R2 (bleep) 23:10, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
Posted at WT:TPG#Reformatting talk page lists —烏Γ (kaw) │ 05:10, 06 May 2019 (UTC)
- You're changing another editor's talk page comments over their objection, citing only the Manual of Style, which doesn't apply to talk pages. The way that editors format their talk page comments is very personal. When an editor asks you not to stop editing
- I counter: How is fixing the formatting a problem at all? —烏Γ (kaw) │ 01:56, 05 May 2019 (UTC)
- How is this a problem for talk pages, as opposed to articles? R2 (bleep) 00:41, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- MOS:LISTGAP:
Rantedit
You have failed to edit and retract slanderous statements placed on the "Breitbart News" page, while leaving it locked and unable to be corrected. Define "far right". Also, the article directly links the news agency to neo nazis; a blatant lie and slander. The term "Alt Right" had not yet been adopted by the white nationalist movement when the cited article was written. Steve Bannon has publicly repudiated and disavowed all white nationalism. Milo Yiannopolis is gay, Jewish, and married to a black man. The fact that the article cannot be edited is a blatant act of cowardice and is meant to push out any opportunity to correct the open bias that the article contains. Ulock the article and allow an unbiased description of the subject to be published. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:a761:4f0:d043:470a:3d65:744b (talk • contribs)
- You act as if I made these decisions myself, when in fact I didn't. Those are all the result of extensive discussions and consensus building at Talk:Breitbart News. You can find the old discussions in the archive links there, and learn who argued what and why. R2 (bleep) 22:23, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
Deleting whole section in Khashoggi Articleedit
Hi my friend. I inserted a new subtitle in Jamal Khashoggi Article which titled "Saudi government have paid blood money to Khashoggi family" and you only deleted whole section. When I rod your reason which said I have to find reliable sources which say the Khashoggi family approved that they received this money?!!! It's very confusing for me. As you know I used two reliable sources for that section and the reliable sources quote is accepted in Wikipedia. Please won't delete again the section because it's obvious for everyone that section written as Wikipedia rules and should be stay in relevant Article. Thank you so much.Forest90 (talk) 11:39, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry, but your addition was not neutral, and payments of blood money are speculative. I took a shot of replacing your addition at Assassination of Jamal Khashoggi3. I replaced the CNN cite with a WaPo cite that is better written. I don’t see a need for any addition to Jamal Khashoggi. O3000 (talk) 12:22, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- You're not in the edit history, so maybe you forgot to publish your changes? I'm going to revert for the time being because this is a BLP violation. R2 (bleep) 15:48, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- I added it to Assassination of Jamal Khashoggi, not Jamal Khashoggi. I see no need at the latter. O3000 (talk) 15:56, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- You're not in the edit history, so maybe you forgot to publish your changes? I'm going to revert for the time being because this is a BLP violation. R2 (bleep) 15:48, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
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