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The article China proper says that this term is controversial or even offensive to many Chinese. I suggest that the wording in ITN be changed to "eastern China" or something like that. --Cam 01:38, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Try Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors. --64.229.222.204 10:44, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

to something of the "Hezbollah attacks Israel, Israel strikes back" sort?? This seems to be more accurate - the current writing seems to indicate that Israel is the propogator of the attacks....

• It is HEzbollah. Reuters is making a mistake. The second letter is e. You can ask any Arabic speaker.--Patchouli 08:19, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

  Is any Arabic speaker an expert in the romanization of Arabic? There is nothing wrong with the transliteration "Hizbullah". Our article Hezbollah gives more information; see in particular Note 1. --Lambiam^Talk 12:31, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Getting to the subject, Israeli officials say that the Lebanese government is responsible. Hezbollah is a legal "party of God" in Lebanon. It is as ethical as the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda except that it murders in lieu of rape.

I say, "Why hasn't the Lebanese government seized Hasan Nasrallah's bank account. If Nasrallah was so loaded those youths wouldn't have money to march back and forth with ammunition attached to their chests and arms. They on Nasrallah's payroll."--Patchouli 08:19, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay people, let's stop right there. Wikipedia isn't the forum for discussing who's to blame in this very messy and prolonged "trouble" (to borrow from the N.Ireland vernacular). The current entry says "Israeli troops launch a military offensive into Lebanon (pictured) in response to the capture of two Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah." which is the current state of affairs. --Monotonehell 09:35, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

The current version disregards the firing of hundreds of rockets by Hezbollah towards northern Israel. These rockets have already caused the death of over 10 people, and I think that not mentioning them makes it look like Israel is reacting only to the "minor" incident of kidnapping two soldiers. --80.230.85.180 12:48, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

It's a headline and as such can't include everything - that's what the article is for. BTW, it would look strange if it said that Israel entered Lebanon for something because of something that happened 4 or 5 days later. Zocky | picture popups 13:12, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

The Main Page still reflects only what happened 4 or 5 days ago, in a way that suggests this is a one-sided assault. That's not making it short, that's making it factually inaccurate. I suggest something like "The Israeli army continues its offensive in Lebanon, while Hezbollah fires katyusha rockets against northern Israeli cities." --80.230.85.180 15:17, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

We can't update it every five minutes. This is, again, a misunderstanding of what the In the news section is for. Please try to confine your passions to editing the article so that it includes as much encyclopedic information as possible. --Dhartung | Talk 19:38, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I think "civilian and military casualties" would be more appropriate than "military and civilian casualties", considering the apparent ratios between the two categories.

The factual account should include Hezbollah entering Israel to murder 7 and kidnap 2 soldiers.

Is it correct to talk of "civilian and military casualties on both sides"? Surely the military casualties are only on one side?

It's kind of strange that G8 summit is not listed in the current events and is not mentioned on the main page, and 32nd G8 summit page still has "Future events" template on top of it.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.197.129.54 (talk • contribs) 10:36, July 16, 2006 (UTC).

So fix it. :) Welcome - Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that anyone can edit. There's no one person responsible for general content. So if the editors who originted that article lost interest or are busy then it gets left to someone else to take it up and suggest things for the Current events. --Monotonehell 12:34, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

• Only Administrators can fix that. FellowWikipedian 16:49, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
  • But 32nd G8 summit is open to editing, which was his point. —Cuiviénen 18:50, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Is it really necessary to inflict that horrible smug grin on us? How about replacing the latest Prime Minister with the first Prime Minister, ie Robert Walpole. Walpole is no longer controversial and in the picture in his article he looks statesmanlike. Olborne 18:59, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

It's not the best picture, and the article is (as I pointed out in Talk) too focused on history, but I think Blair is the right person to use. --Dhartung | Talk 19:35, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Image:BlairL.jpg might make a better picture. --Descendall 21:52, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

{{CrownCopyright}} has recently been changed to a non-free license due to its prohibition on derivative images. See Template talk:CrownCopyright. All images tagged with the license (including Image:BlairL.jpg) are in the process of getting fair use rationales. GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 22:24, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

It says here that the two main G8 issues are "energy security" and education... should it be energy, security, and education, as in the summit's article? Or should the other be changed? ROY YOЯ 19:25, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

It most definately should be changed to reflect the wording of the original article. As I would think global security would be the number one issue given current events. But perhaps the only mistake is lack of punctuation, particularly commas, rather than "energy security" and education. Njjones 19:45, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Is there a Latin-language wikipedia? and if not, why hasn't it been created? wasn't the first encyclopedia written in latin? isn't this an insult to history? I would create it myself, but I can't because the only latin word I know is "vagina" (and I know it well....)Antimatter 22:03, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

But can you decline it?-gadfium 06:10, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I think you'll find that very few men can decline vagina. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 15:17, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

And those men are almost all priests.That is, those who can use both senses of decline-gadfium 23:36, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

http://la.wikipedia.org?pojem=Pagina_prima Raul654 22:08, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, Latin is the mother language of most of Western Civilization. A Wiki that could translate legal phrases, common medical terms, inscriptions off famous statues and buildings, as well as just infamous sayings might be popular enough. As for the idiot who started this thread; "Illegitame non carbarundum - Julius Ceasar { Don't let the bastards grind you down } " Bptdude 06:34, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Of course Wikipedia has an article on that (fake) Latin phrase as well...see Illegitimi non carborundum. :o) EWS23 (Leave me a message!) 07:21, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

very good.. and here is a nice wiki link that does exist about latin http://en.wikipedia.org?pojem=List_of_Latin_phrases Bptdude 09:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Wow....I probably should have checked before I asked about that....One good thing about wikipedia is that if you make a mistake or say something stupid, someone (or some people) are likely to point out your mistake before you realize it yourself...I don't know any latin, but perhaps I can redeem myself by writing the latin wikipedia article on the vagina...I'll see what I can do... :) Antimatter 21:46, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, tuum culpa (your bad)....er, if that accusative for "your" is wrong then it's mea culpa (my bad)!--Phil Wardle 08:15, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Try this: http://la.wikipedia.org/

Have a look at this edit. A basic and easily checkable fact in the Prime_Minister_of_the_United_Kingdom article (the salary) was not updated. This is the sort of thing that justifiably gives Wikipedia a bad reputation. What is the point of saying that our articles can be more up-to-date than others, when no-one checks to see if they are up-to-date? Can processes be put in place to stop this happening again? Carcharoth 23:29, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:WikiProject Fact and Reference Check. --Dhartung | Talk 00:09, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Carcharoth 00:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. The above WikiProject doesn't seem very active. Only four other posts on the talk page since the end of April. Though the guideline page is a bit more active. Carcharoth 09:35, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Using the terminology of "forward hemisphere"fixes to offer as WP doesn't have a "hemisphere" article and the F-35 page itself doesn't even mention the hemisphere jargon.Figma 01:51, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

"...in that it will reduce X-band radar signals (from tracking radars, often short range) striking the front half of the aircraft, making it almost undetectable (stealthy) to such devices from this direction but not particularly stealthy from the rear and not stealthy to L band (search radars, often long range) from any direction.", perhaps? Though to be honest, hemisphere (which we do have an article on) works perfectly well in my opinion. GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 02:06, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

>The F-35 Lightning II, called in development the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), is a military fighter aircraft designed by the United States and the United Kingdom.

Except that it was designed in the USSR. The JSF is the same airframe as the Yak-141 and the twist-pipe jet engine is also based on soviet technology. America paid 300 million USD to Russia soon after end of USSR to gain this technology. 195.70.32.136 06:50, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:F-35 Lightning II. Lockheed did license technology but the extent is not easily evident on the public web. --Dhartung | Talk 17:40, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Should the relegation of Italian soccer teams really be listed above the Israel-Lebanon conflict? 206.223.242.88 03:52, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

• In most cases, all of the items listed on In the news is sorted by most recently added to the page first, not really what recently occurred in the real world first. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:57, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
  • The image is a different story, however; it only changes when and if someone gets around to changing it. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:59, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Don't you think it makes sense to do it by what is most significant (like on the Yahoo! front page) as opposed to what order they were added/occurred in the real world? 206.223.242.88 19:56, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Who gets to decide "what is most significant"? —David Levy 20:01, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Please change the Constitution Day link on the front to Constitution Day (South Korea). Thanks. Mithridates 07:08, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Done. Thank you. EWS23 (Leave me a message!) 07:17, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

On a somewhat related note, why is 2006 is parenthesis after Marine Day? Its article said it was first celebrated in 1996, so shouldn't that be the year listed, or am I misunderstanding what the year in parenthesis indicates? -Elmer Clark 08:55, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

As Marine day is not on a fixed date. The "2006" refers to it falling on the 17th in 2006. In other years the date will be different. Jmount 09:34, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

CNN is reporting @ ~ 6:37am(GMT -4) that a earthquake spawned Tsunami has hit the Western Shore of the Asian island of Java, in Indonesia. According to that country's President (as quoted by Rueters and AP wires at this point.) At 6:37am they're reporting 6.8 under sea, meanwhile at 6:54 their "eyewitness" Kathy Quiano: is reporting a "7.2 magnatude quake which read 7.1" on the richter scale.

Related Tsunami news: --The North American Tsunami warning system on Tuesday moved a step forward with an agreement signed to place a Tsunami warning systems in parts of the Caribbean region. Seismic warning station for Barbados CaribDigita 11:08, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

That's grand, but there're two problems. First, you haven't given an updated article. Second, suggestions for the ITN section are made over on Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates, not here. Feel free to update that section once a new or updated article has been found :) GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 12:56, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

This is LARGELY more important than the Space Shuttle and deserves first mention on the news section. --Revolución hablar ver 04:20, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

• The news section is ordered chronologically (which is objective), not by importance (which is subjective). That said, the shuttle landing did occur before the tsunami, so it should go 2nd. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-07-18 05:27
  • wouldn't it be ordered by what becomes candidate first? --210.86.70.193 09:04, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Please add this map to it. It highlights Java. --Revolución hablar ver 07:22, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

• • no, don't be silly, it would be too small as a thumb to be of use --210.86.70.193 09:04, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

• • • Although the inset box on its own looks ideal for giving a sense of global location. --Bazza 13:05, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

The link for "magnitude 7.7 earthquake" leads to the "Penis" article. Might want to change that.

That was fixed the very next minute. Thanks, though! --Dhartung | Talk 19:53, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

More than 30 years ago I got this info : Danny Cedrone passed away on July 17, 1954 What do you think of it? Stephan KŒNIG 10:51, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

If the date can be confirmed (please add references to Danny Cedrone's page), his death can be listed on July 17#Deaths. But, what does this have to do with MainPage ? -- PFHLai 13:47, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

"that Pachirisu is a fictitious Electric Squirrel Pokémon that can shock opponents?"

...as opposed to a *real* electric squirrel pokemon? Or what? I think "fictitious" is understood here. 207.59.86.5 14:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

It's not fair to assume that everyone reading the encyclopedia knows what a Pokémon is. Dark Shikari 15:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I agrees with darth shikari, most people know what a pokemon is however there are a few who don't--Alec trevalyn 16:04, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. It is a near-policy convention to always indicate that something is fictitious in order to prevent confusion that people unfamiliar with the subject may otherwise have. (For example, Star Wars-related articles often start with "In the fictional Star Wars Universe" even though there is no such thing as a real Star Wars Universe.) —Cuiviénen 02:27, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I love how the imagery in the front page, as of this edit, shows the space shuttle right next to a note about an escalating Israeli/Lebanese conflict. Let's all escape! MrZaius^talk 21:01, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

hahaha. Someone should probably change that. dposse 23:48, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Front page images need to be free, so our only option would probably be something like the Lebanese flag or a free map. --Dhartung | Talk 06:28, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah i always notice images beside the top story that look out of position, but this one actully looks right in the proper position. lets evacuate Earth before World War 3 11:07, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

The only ones calling it WWIII is the people at Fox News. dposse 16:45, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

And CNN and Comedy Central! Colbert Report MrZaius^talk 18:43, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Can we please get that image removed? It looks horrible. See Image talk:David Barkley.jpg for details. --Liface 02:45, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I've replaced the image in question with the better version cited on that page. —David Levy 03:23, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Why are links underlined (as of today?) in the English version of Wikipedia? Camptown 11:28, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

thats your internet browser, if you are using firefox just refresh your page, thats what i do Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 11:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

After spending a little over a year here in Wikipedia, I am willing to make the call: there is a bias, but towards nerds (of which I am a mere Class 2 Nerd). From Final Fantasy X to Starcraft to Perfect Dark to Red vs Blue, Wikipedia has become a veritable nerdgasm to nerdologists and connoisseurs of general nerdology worldwide. Huzzah! (or should I say "Ni"?) --Bobak 14:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Articles that make the main page do so because they're well-writted, well-sourced, and have good information. Since a preponderance of so-called "nerds" edit Wikipedia, more "nerd-related" articles are likely to be well-written, well-sourced, and have good information. Thus, more "nerd-related" articles will be featured. It has nothing to do with a bias in terms of which topics are picked for the main page: its a bias of what topics are covered well enough in Wikipedia to be picked for the main page. Dark Shikari 15:22, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Uhh...Duh. ;-) --Bobak 16:37, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

ZOMG ENCELADUS! MORE PLANETCRUFT! Delete NN Raul654 01:00, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

• This is clearly another case of Wikipedia's blatant Saturnian bias. There's a whole universe out there, people!!! — BRIAN0918 • 2006-07-20 05:20

I think it is sad that we are so provincial that we can't even look for an article out of our solar system. I hereby declare a CRUSADE against SYSTEMIC SOLAR SYSTEM STIGMATISM/BIAS on Wikipedia! Forward the Great Attractor and Great Wall! --maru (talk) contribs 05:27, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

So should we form Wikipedians Advocating Solar System Understatement Program? We can call ourselves WASSUP! The greetings would be awesome: "WASSUP?" "Hell yeah, Γ Quadrant for life, son!" ...of course, this would fall right into the nerd-bias above, but what do you expect from people who think contributing to a free online encyclopedia is a cool way to spend time ;-) (guilty!) --Bobak 20:45, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

• It gets better, FF6 and FF8 are going for FAC at almost the same exact time :-). Kinda like what happened a few months ago, when like 8 FF articles got GA status over a 3 day period :) — Deckiller 04:11, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Today, George W. Bush made his first veto against a stem cell research bill. This is his first veto in his 6 years of being President. Is this Main Page worthy?--Chili14 18:20, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Is there an updated article? GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 18:46, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean? On Wikipedia, or from an external news service, like CNN?--Chili14 20:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Stories that feature "in the news" need an updated wikipedia article to link to. violet/riga (t) 20:37, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Current events has already been updated, with a link to stem cell controversy, which is updated. But Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates has not been updated. Make suggestions there. --Dhartung | Talk 20:45, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I think it will be nice, if the InterWiki link to Englisc/Anglosaxon Wikipeda is added. I think it made ang.wiki more popular, and - maybe - encourage people to learn the history of their/foreign language. Michał P. 19:03, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Interwiki links are added to the bottom of the Main Page once the Wikipedia has 1,000 articles or more. Is this true for the Anglo-Saxon Wikipedia? GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 20:06, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

It's at 715. For an obsolete language, that's pretty good. --Dhartung | Talk 20:37, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Still has a ways to go to catch up with the Latin Wikipedia's 5,400 though :) GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 23:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Yabbut compare the Manx Wikipedia, which just passed 100 articles, and that's a language with living speakers. (And don't bite the newbie wikis...) --Dhartung | Talk 04:29, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

DYK looked better without the bullets a few months ago. Why use them along with an ellipsis starting each line ? Ugly and superfluous. -- 64.229.179.114 06:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Did you know would be the best place to suggest layout changes to the DYK box. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 08:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. (and I thought the arguing is bad on this talk page...) Will copy and post over there. -- 64.229.231.181 18:16, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Why aren't featured lists ever on the Main Page? They all have introductory text, and are often as interesting as the featured articles. Is this the proper forum for discussing this? Has it been discussed before? Thanks. -- Samuel Wantman 08:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Because they would be hard to do? how would you do it? --210.86.70.193 10:12, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

See Wikipedia_talk:Featured lists#Featured lists on the Main_Page. --Dhartung | Talk 22:10, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, the FLs are all meant to have a decent introductory lead section and an image, so you could replace TFA with TFL, say, one day a week. I wonder what Raul654 thinks. -- ALoan (Talk)

Here's an example of how it could be done...

The Anura is the order of animals in the class Amphibia that includes frogs and toads. There are around 5,280 species currently recognized in the Anura class. The living Anura are typically divided into three suborders: Archaeobatrachia, Mesobatrachia and Neobatrachia. This classification is based on such morphological features as the number of vertebrae, the structure of the pectoral girdle, and the morphology of tadpoles. More...

--Samuel Wantman 00:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps FLs would be featured weekly? Because if they don't have a chance of being featured on the main page, then "featured" is a misnomer. --Howard the Duck 05:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

In buisness school, the very first lesson they teach on the very first day is this - if you have a successful product, DON'T MESS WITH IT. This was considered so basic, so obvious, they didn't even teach it for many years. (They started teaching it after New Coke). The featured article is the most popular thing on the main page after the search box (the developers did measurements to this effect last year). This suggestion is bad beyond words. Lists do not make good content to link to - a list is not something that will attract someone's attention, and putting it there at the deteriment of something that is already popular is a non-starter. Raul654 05:48, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

If that's the case, then we should replace another part of the main page (maybe DYK? OTD?) because frankly, if Featured Lists are featured then they should be at the Main Page. If they would have absolutely no chance of being featured, either rename them or delete the WP:FL page altogether. --Howard the Duck 06:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think anybody would miss 'did you know' all that much; frankly though, I'd much rather see something like 'Media of the Day I set up on commons - a different video or song on the main page every day. See http://commons.wikimedia.org?pojem=Main_Page Raul654 06:44, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

But it would put a strain (or will it?) on the servers? And will it be slow to load? WP:FP can subsitute with the "featured media". And we don't have featured media (it is proposed, though). How about featured topics? But since we don't have featured media, why don't we add FLs? --Howard the Duck 06:48, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly would miss Did you know. If I had to pick something to remove, it would be In the news (which generates false expectations of Wikipedia and encroaches on Wikinews' territory). My understanding, however, is that the section is very popular, so I suppose that it should be left alone.

"Media of the day" is a nice idea, but it makes far more sense for the Commons' main page than it does for ours. I think that we should allow that site to maintain a unique identity. Otherwise, we'll only contribute to the notion that it's nothing more than a place for the other projects to store their media. —David Levy 11:36, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

As someone who has shepherded both a list and article to feature status, I find Raul's comment to be a bit harsh. I think there are some very interesting featured lists, and I would like there to be a forum where they are more featured. Why? For many reasons: FL's show what a list can become, and with their numerous links connect with a huge amount of content. Some people find lists as interesting as the articles, and lists are as much a part of what Wikipedia is about as are the articles. Certainly, not every FL is worthy of the front page, but there are many that are. An occasional posting on the front page won't hurt anything, and might even be helpful. -- Samuel Wantman 06:25, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Raul, I think you're reacting to a threat you infer to the Featured Article spot. Nobody said that, though (although I see how you could read it that way). In fact, I think that's the worst place for featured lists aside from the controversy it would cause. --Dhartung | Talk 20:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

It's true, the name "Featured List" is largely a misnomer. Having nursed one list article through the demanding FL process, I was left with a feeling of "What now?" The answer seemed to be "Not much", which I found disappointing having worked on the page for so long. I think DYK is a great idea and would seem to meet many wiki-ideals, but my experience of having many articles on DYK is that they simply do not get edits. The topics on which Wikipedia no longer has an article are inevitably on increasingly minor topics and the DYK facts are usually so obscure that the "Did you know...?" phrasing seems facetious. I don't think it would hurt to replace DYK with an FL on one day a week. That said, I realise the inertia with the front page is enormous, and I'm pessimistic. Soo 00:17, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, it could work by simply replacing the featured picture with a featured list once or twice a week. —Nightstallion (?) 07:46, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Minor point, but it seems a bit over the top to have two space exploration items right next to each other. How about replacing the 1976 one with:

• 1982 - The Provisional IRA detonates two bombs in Hyde Park and Regents Park in central London, killing eight soldiers and wounding forty-seven people

Cheers — SteveRwanda 11:35, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

The first manned lunar landing and the Viking probe are both hugely significant, certainly more so than one-of-many bombings in London. No, thanks. — ceejayoz ^talk 11:50, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

(Comment text removed by Dhartung | Talk. Jimmmmmmmmm, please observe WP:CIVIL, in particular no personal attacks and no legal threats.) Jimmmmmmmmm 11:55, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

By that logic, every time someone dies in Iraq, it should go In The News? Unless bombings have a greater significance than simply to those affected, if they mean more than just a continuation of a conflict, (i.e. pretty much if they have their own article), they are not notable enough for the main page. Cigarette 14:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Come on, saying "one-of-many bombings in London" is disgracful. I'm not saying that that event should take place but we should have to space events. Jimmmmmmmmm 15:03, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

My point is, there have been many bombings in London, probably enough to have one in On This Day for half of the entire year. Unless one is particularly notable - the subway bombings, for example - it certainly doesn't measure up in historical significance to humankind's first landing on the moon and one of the first Mars probes. 67.50.35.181 02:20, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Keep the two space-related events and add the 1982 event. Today's OTD is too short. --Howard the Duck 12:09, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

OTD is not too short, but DYK is too long, making OTD look short. And please keep the 1976 event. It's the 30th anniversary today. --64.229.231.181 18:11, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

You do have a point hehehe. --Howard the Duck 03:38, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

As I keep saying, OTD should not be held to strict rules, definitely not about hurting people's feelings (because it's not a memorial). The OTD choices should be mixed up differently every year, otherwise the lesser-known events will never, ever get chosen. Maybe what we really need is a script that will randomly generate the entries, so we can stop having these "you forgot Poland" debates. --Dhartung | Talk 21:59, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

The Hyde Park and Regents Park bombings article seems dry and unimpressive. I'd have a hard time justifying the displacement of any of the current selections for that unless it's a 'round number anniversary'. Good articles will always get priority. -- PFHLai 10:28, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I realize Wikipedia is the world's encyclopedia, but there is a decided lack of American news ever showing up in the "In the News" section. At first I assumed it was just the coincidental result of a few visits to the front page, but too often I see what I might consider "irrelevant" or at least less vital world news (such as the Italian soccer teams being relegated out of Serie A) while often important American events (particularly political and business ones) go unmentioned. Again, this is not an outright condemnation, but I was wondering if this was a deliberate attempt to be more intercontinental, if there was a conscious attempt to place non-American news items over American news items, or if this was simply circumstantial. I guess my major complaint is that America is obviously part of the world, too, and while we shouldn't necessarily be held up above other nations in terms of newsworthinses, neither should we be deliberately neglected. 168.39.166.127 13:05, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Second item on ITN:

Space Shuttle Discovery lands at the Kennedy Space Center, ending a 13-day mission to the International Space Station.

There's your American news. --Howard the Duck 13:13, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

It is world news, and american news is very common here, as there 1 192 some countries in the world... and america get more than 1/192 of the news slots. Dan 17:34, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

You don't visit enough then mate. Wikipedia can be very American biased at times. The Italian football story is huge but as football is not an American sport you pull that one out as meaningless. Not every political movenment in America needs mentioning, or business for that matter. Today for example in the UK we have had major reforms in the home office but we wouldn't ask for that to be included. Relevant US stroy will be mentioned in In the News as will loads of non-relevant ones so don't worry. Jimmmmmmmmm 13:14, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

You've really just said the opposite of what everyone else says about Wikipedia's bias. Which leads me to believee no one knows what they're talking about.  ;) Cigarette 14:18, 20 July 2006 (UTC)asd

Sorry Cigarette I'm a little unclear as to who you message is aimed at. Jimmmmmmmmm 14:25, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Check the indent Jimmmmmmmmm, it was directed at the original poster. :) --Monotonehell 15:34, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Just checking you never know. Jimmmmmmmmm 15:36, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Three of hte current DYKs are American. But the Italian soccer thing shouldn't be there, IMHO.

Also have a look at Talk:Main Page/Archive 74#American-centricity

Why on Earth shouldn't the Italian football story be there? Three of the biggest teams in one of the biggest leagues of the biggest sport in the world have been found guilty of match fixing, a crime not only punishable by the football authorities but by the law. People could go to jail for this and we don't know who yet there could be major business men or even the former PM, he owns AC Milan. This is a major news story and if some team winning a national cup in America is worthy of main page space then this certainly is. Jimmmmmmmmm 23:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Because, to (I'd imagine about) 70% of Wikipedia users, its some random crime about three obscure teams playing obscure sport in an unknown league of some unimportant country. To said 70% of Wikipedia's user base, San Franscisco Outfielder Barry Bonds not being indicted and the imminent retiring of St. Louis Ram's Running Back Marshall Faulk are 100 times more important, relevent, and news worthy. But we don't compain. Preston 23:25, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

You can't be serious? I have never even heard about Barry Bonds or Marshall Faulk. The soccer story is on our news, but baseball never is. It is a purely American game, and the rest of the world couldn't give a crap. On the other hand, many of the players who won the World Cup are in a lot of trouble for game fixing. This is much more newsworthy. How many people watch the World Series (if that is what it is called) than do the World Cup? --liquidGhoul 23:31, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I mostly agree. Please note how I've never suggested that Bonds of Faulk should be in the ITN box, nor have I suggested that the Italian soccer controversy shouldn't be. I simply stated that Americans care about Bonds and Faulk, and not Italian soccer. Do you deny this? Preston 23:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Of course Americans are going to care more. However, as someone who is from neither a European or American country (and a country which has, until recently, not cared about soccer), I have heard about the Italian scandal, and haven't heard anything about the baseball scandal. Also, if baseball is popular in Asia, that doesn't change much, as most Asian countries do not speak English as their primary language. They would be using different Wikipedias.

Well, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if Bonds is indicted, that should belong on the front page as much as the relegation scandal. The federal indictment of the most noteworthy active player in a sport on charges of perjury in regards to doping is as big a scandal as the match-fixing by a few teams (no players). The Eurocentrics may not realize it, but baseball is huge in East Asia and much of Latin America; not as big as football worldwide, of course. To be honest, I don't believe either story belongs on the front page, but the use of precedents on this page throws everything up in the air. zafiroblue05 | Talk 00:20, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, the entire section needs a rethink. I am sure that every single person will want 'their' subject covered, and everyone elses ignored. There needs to be some better criteria.

As the original poster, I just want to say that first, I do not think Marshall Faulk's retirement deserves a news notice any more than I think Italian football scandals do. Secondly, I think that first presidential veto by George W. Bush, on no less a grand subject than stem cell research, deserves a news notice, and is at least as worthy as a possible house owned by Augustus. And thirdly, I went out of my way to say that I was not gaming to have every American business story posted on the front page, and yet I was accused exactly of that. This is what I am saying:

If a sports scandal in Italy is worthy of the front page, then a sports scandal involving the greatest hitter in baseball history is worthy of the front page. If not, then both are not. But it appears to me (and I will began collecting evidence on) that when these two stories are presented to the In The News as options, the Italian one is selected more frequently than the American one. And that is what I find unacceptable.168.39.166.127 20:57, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

People are seriously rising to this? Dear me! violet/riga (t) 21:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Just face it. Wikipedia hates America and supports Terrorism. Preston 00:40, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I object to the last comment...Wikipedia holds no bias against any country. The purpose of an online encyclopedia is international and will not focus on one single country, whether the U.S. or Angola or Panama or so on. I agree that American news reports should have a special place on the main page and for each continent news reports, then subdivided to smaller categories like countries. Will this be a good idea to try out? Wikipedia wants to expand news coverage and generate discussions to produce good results in the edits and addition of new information of encyclopediac value. Not all news reports are going to appear drastic to get considered of historic importance, but we made Wikipedia to have a world scene, not only Italian soccer (football) because the U.S. is in war as some people claimed and I just don't buy that. --Mike D 26 20:36, 23 July 2006 (UTC)\

*sigh* Just trying to add some humour to a rather absurd argument. Preston 20:03, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Surely there needs to be a "beware of trolling" notice added to this page? Carcharoth 13:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm here to tell you that the Norman Wikipedia reached 1000! HOW RAD!

cool! wossi 21:54, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps some general talk page should be as accessible from the main page as the discussion of the main page itself; it's very tempting to post anything unrelated to the main page here. Anyway congratulations! ;) --Cloviz 22:06, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

This is yet another example of Wikipedia's blatant bias toward the past. The entire main page is flooded with crap from the past, and this is one of the worst examples--who cares what happened back when the world was only a few thousand years old?! Delete NN empirecruft. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-07-20 23:53

I totally agree, Wikipedia's bias against the present shows at every corner. I mean, we're a present project, based in the present, created by people who live in the present. I mean, look at the "on this day section" EVERY ENTRY TODAY IS ABOUT THE PAST!!! tell me that's not past cruft. As a present-er, I am appauled at the systematic bias against the present and future brought here by the members of this project! We're all citizens of the present here! We should focus more on it and the future. -- SmthManly / ^ManlyTalk / ^{ManlyContribs} 01:01, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I bet you can't write something so quick that it's still the present; the past is so much larger, and getting longer and longer...In other words many more important things have happened in the past that there are currently happening. You can say that the main page is biased on History though; and neglecting other sciences, such as Chemistry, Biology, und so weiter.--Cloviz 01:12, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

This entire qualm is based in trying to marginalize an entire discipline. Moreover, it's a specific attempt at marginalizing information about one of the most important people to Western civilization. The absurdity of doing so is beyond measure or count; I'm lead to wonder if this is an attempted troll. Really. What the hell? -Jack Cosmo

• Considering that I was the one who added the Augustus entry to ITN, what are the chances that any of this is serious? — BRIAN0918 • 2006-07-21 02:10

• Ummm, I think its a joke people. Lisiate 01:21, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

• Let me be the first to say, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH CREATIONIST! RUN AWAY! --Kinst 01:39, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

We haven't even gotten to Wikipedia's bias against the future! There are even policies preventing users from writing about the future, and people freely use pejoratives like "crystal ball" to label anything that doesn't agree with their temporal mentality... — BRIAN0918 • 2006-07-21 01:42

Hell, you haven't even mentioned Wikipedia's bias against alternative timelines! Can you imagine: as important a topic as, say, United States under Adolf Hitler, and we still don't have an article! zafiroblue05 | Talk 02:03, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Must...resist...temptation... --Kinst 02:27, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Entry reads: 'Mostly sucky.' — ceejayoz ^talk 17:56, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

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